You beat me to it with your link, which for those who haven't clicked on it reads: 'Senior Hamas figure says 50 of 62 Gaza border deaths were its own members'

And the media says it's indiscriminate firing by Israel?!

It's a "massacre" when nobody dies on one side but a "battle" if it's even deaths. So no Jews die and they lose the moral high ground. It's insane. If the border fence would have been breached (which was the ultimate goal), then hundreds more people would have been killed.

45 Palestinians were killed in Syria in April. Does the media care about Palestinians or do they prefer to bash Israel?

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 May 2018 10.22pm)

You are far more optimistic on that than I am. As for corruption....Well the EU itself can hardly talk.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Channel 4 are as plain as day with their political bias....but they are a private company. The BBC on the other hand...

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2018 11.40pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Fair comment. A Devil's Advocate would say that Hamas, elected as they are, are doing the same thing regarding the views of their constituency in Gaza.

For avoidance of doubt, to me a murdered Israeli civilian is the same as a murdered Palestinian civilian. Like SilverTop and others, I don't hold the "us versus them" view.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (17 May 2018 1.10pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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I bet none of you complaining went up to London to protest the vile dictator Erdogan being invited here. Imprisoned 50,000 journalists, opposition leaders, policeman, judges. Massacres Kurds.

One rule for Yanks, one rule for everyone else...

Recall how Penny Mordaunt and the Vote Leave campaign claimed that Turkish murderers and terrorists were queueing up to come to the UK? Never mind that this is the same country for whose tyrant leader Mordaunt, Theresa May and the rest rolled out the red carpet this week.

Not fair to cast aspersions on people for not taking time out of their day to protest in large numbers something the press barely reports anyway, when it's our politicians that are the two-faced hypocrites doing only that which is in their own personal best interests.

In terms of Gaza Israel's actions are clearly shameful. Their actions in recent weeks have been deliberately inflammatory and their response to protest has been unacceptably heavy handed to say the least. Tit for tat is not an excuse to murder 60-odd people. Approaching a fence does not warrant being executed. These actions should be a last resort not a first one.

I only made the point a few posts ago that our parliaments are hypocrites for getting sniffy about Trump while they have wined and dined actual dictators for many years.

Back in the real world a full frontal country like ours that is actually invested in world events can't take a back seat and spend its time moralising like an armchair critic can.....not and actually have any influence at all....or be able to trade.

The purity spiraling that armchair critics do amuses me greatly.

I bet you anything you like that if I could examine the decisions they make in their own lives....who they brown nosed to....what they are willing to look the other way at to get on...what expediencies they did or allowed for....I bet this same criticism could be leveled....Ultimately it's just a matter of scale on expediency.

It all comes down to what people are willing to risk losing.

Anyone remember Labour's risible 'ethical foreign policy'?

I'm always reminded about Yes Prime Minister and the line about clear consciences and luxuries.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2018 4.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)