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Stuk Top half 23 May 18 8.44pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher You're right as I'm sure every American family and certainly chat show host would testify. If you look carefully enough, the NRA-loving Trump can be seen with 'blood on his hands'.... Chat show hosts, the vast majority. American families, not so sure. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 23 May 18 8.44pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

You're right as I'm sure every American family and certainly chat show host would testify. If you look carefully enough, the NRA-loving Trump can be seen with 'blood on his hands'....

Chat show hosts, the vast majority. American families, not so sure.

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YT Oxford 23 May 18 9.31pm
Originally posted by Stuk Chat show hosts, the vast majority. American families, not so sure. Good point. I heard a Democrat politician on the radio the other day defending the right to bear arms on the grounds that it’s the USA’s democratic decision, even though he personally disagreed with it, and was full of sorrow for the victims. It was interesting. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 23 May 18 9.31pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Chat show hosts, the vast majority. American families, not so sure.

Good point. I heard a Democrat politician on the radio the other day defending the right to bear arms on the grounds that it’s the USA’s democratic decision, even though he personally disagreed with it, and was full of sorrow for the victims. It was interesting.

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Sir James Hird Mount Martha 23 May 18 9.39pm
ON many levels, 'the right to bear arms' is wrong,wrong,wrong. Its a throwback to Billy the Kid, Jesse James etc.. All loonies, glorified like our own Ned Kelly. If the yanks were to look outside their own narrow world. All of civilized Europe does not have gun problems on the scale of the U.S.and compare the other civilized country on their doorstep.Canada, it does not have gun problems anything like this. Do they have the same gun laws as the US. No. It breaks my hearts to see those placards saying, "Am I next" and know that maybe some of those kids who died in Texas carried placards like that when previous events occurred. Please, America, WAKE UP. You are killing your own children.
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Sir James Hird

Mount Martha 23 May 18 9.39pm

ON many levels, 'the right to bear arms' is wrong,wrong,wrong. Its a throwback to Billy the Kid, Jesse James etc.. All loonies, glorified like our own Ned Kelly.
If the yanks were to look outside their own narrow world. All of civilized Europe does not have gun problems on the scale of the U.S.and compare the other civilized country on their doorstep.Canada, it does not have gun problems anything like this. Do they have the same gun laws as the US. No.
It breaks my hearts to see those placards saying, "Am I next" and know that maybe some of those kids who died in Texas carried placards like that when previous events occurred.
Please, America, WAKE UP. You are killing your own children.

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Stirlingsays 23 May 18 11.08pm
Originally posted by Sir James Hird ON many levels, 'the right to bear arms' is wrong,wrong,wrong. Its a throwback to Billy the Kid, Jesse James etc.. All loonies, glorified like our own Ned Kelly. If the yanks were to look outside their own narrow world. All of civilized Europe does not have gun problems on the scale of the U.S.and compare the other civilized country on their doorstep.Canada, it does not have gun problems anything like this. Do they have the same gun laws as the US. No. It breaks my hearts to see those placards saying, "Am I next" and know that maybe some of those kids who died in Texas carried placards like that when previous events occurred. Please, America, WAKE UP. You are killing your own children. Oh the 'feels' instead of the 'reals'. The US isn't going to give up the rights to civilian gun ownership and the reasons are multi varied. If you could just magically transport them into a situation like the UK where most of the guns were only with official agencies and strictly regulated owners then I think many in the US would take that option. However, the practical steps required to get to that position in reality would split the country and come with much blood letting. My view is that America chooses its own path but I have sympathy for your feelings. It's a sh1t sandwich. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2018 11.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 May 18 11.08pm

Originally posted by Sir James Hird

Oh the 'feels' instead of the 'reals'.

The US isn't going to give up the rights to civilian gun ownership and the reasons are multi varied.

If you could just magically transport them into a situation like the UK where most of the guns were only with official agencies and strictly regulated owners then I think many in the US would take that option.

However, the practical steps required to get to that position in reality would split the country and come with much blood letting.

My view is that America chooses its own path but I have sympathy for your feelings. It's a sh1t sandwich.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2018 11.12pm)

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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 24 May 18 3.56pm
Originally posted by Sir James Hird ON many levels, 'the right to bear arms' is wrong,wrong,wrong. Its a throwback to Billy the Kid, Jesse James etc.. All loonies, glorified like our own Ned Kelly. If the yanks were to look outside their own narrow world. All of civilized Europe does not have gun problems on the scale of the U.S.and compare the other civilized country on their doorstep.Canada, it does not have gun problems anything like this. Do they have the same gun laws as the US. No. It breaks my hearts to see those placards saying, "Am I next" and know that maybe some of those kids who died in Texas carried placards like that when previous events occurred. Please, America, WAKE UP. You are killing your own children. To your point, the front page of Sunday's New York Daily News. [Link] Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT
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Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 24 May 18 3.56pm

Originally posted by Sir James Hird

ON many levels, 'the right to bear arms' is wrong,wrong,wrong. Its a throwback to Billy the Kid, Jesse James etc.. All loonies, glorified like our own Ned Kelly.
If the yanks were to look outside their own narrow world. All of civilized Europe does not have gun problems on the scale of the U.S.and compare the other civilized country on their doorstep.Canada, it does not have gun problems anything like this. Do they have the same gun laws as the US. No.
It breaks my hearts to see those placards saying, "Am I next" and know that maybe some of those kids who died in Texas carried placards like that when previous events occurred.
Please, America, WAKE UP. You are killing your own children.

To your point, the front page of Sunday's New York Daily News.

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Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 May 18 9.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Oh the 'feels' instead of the 'reals'. The US isn't going to give up the rights to civilian gun ownership and the reasons are multi varied. If you could just magically transport them into a situation like the UK where most of the guns were only with official agencies and strictly regulated owners then I think many in the US would take that option. However, the practical steps required to get to that position in reality would split the country and come with much blood letting. My view is that America chooses its own path but I have sympathy for your feelings. It's a sh1t sandwich. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2018 11.12pm) I doubt it. A huge swathe of Americans believe rightly or wrongly that there is too much government and want the reassurance of being able to arm themselves... Pro USA & Israel
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Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 May 18 9.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh the 'feels' instead of the 'reals'.

The US isn't going to give up the rights to civilian gun ownership and the reasons are multi varied.

If you could just magically transport them into a situation like the UK where most of the guns were only with official agencies and strictly regulated owners then I think many in the US would take that option.

However, the practical steps required to get to that position in reality would split the country and come with much blood letting.

My view is that America chooses its own path but I have sympathy for your feelings. It's a sh1t sandwich.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2018 11.12pm)

I doubt it. A huge swathe of Americans believe rightly or wrongly that there is too much government and want the reassurance of being able to arm themselves...

Pro USA & Israel

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 May 18 9.41pm
The Second Amendment is there for US citizens to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. The banning of guns will never happen (at least in our lifetimes) because the majority of the country don't want a ban.
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 24 May 18 9.41pm

The Second Amendment is there for US citizens to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. The banning of guns will never happen (at least in our lifetimes) because the majority of the country don't want a ban.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 26 May 18 2.50am
'Armed bystanders gun down Oklahoma City restaurant shooter' [Link] Good guy with a gun saves lives by killing bad guy with gun.
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Beckenham 26 May 18 2.50am

'Armed bystanders gun down Oklahoma City restaurant shooter' [Link]

Good guy with a gun saves lives by killing bad guy with gun.

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Stirlingsays 26 May 18 5.57am
Originally posted by Jimenez I doubt it. A huge swathe of Americans believe rightly or wrongly that there is too much government and want the reassurance of being able to arm themselves... Well, I said many. Let's not forget that 200 years ago it was an argument that could be made, but today hunting rifles don't tend to be very effective against artillery, tanks or aerial bombardment. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

26 May 18 5.57am

Originally posted by Jimenez

I doubt it. A huge swathe of Americans believe rightly or wrongly that there is too much government and want the reassurance of being able to arm themselves...

Well, I said many.

Let's not forget that 200 years ago it was an argument that could be made, but today hunting rifles don't tend to be very effective against artillery, tanks or aerial bombardment.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Darwin Eagle Darwin 26 May 18 12.23pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle 'Armed bystanders gun down Oklahoma City restaurant shooter' [Link] Good guy with a gun saves lives by killing bad guy with gun. Glad you brought this up, 'good' gun stories – good men and women preserving life with guns – rarely gets a mention these days.
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Darwin 26 May 18 12.23pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

'Armed bystanders gun down Oklahoma City restaurant shooter' [Link]

Good guy with a gun saves lives by killing bad guy with gun.

Glad you brought this up, 'good' gun stories – good men and women preserving life with guns – rarely gets a mention these days.

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Sir James Hird Mount Martha 26 May 18 1.04pm
Sadly Indianapolis incident. Teacher puts himself in harms way for his students and takes a bullet.Another student injured. This teacher did NOT have a gun. Trump wants to put their economy back in the black. Ban gun imports. Then they can kill one another with their own weapons. Perhaps its a start.
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Sir James Hird

Mount Martha 26 May 18 1.04pm

Sadly Indianapolis incident. Teacher puts himself in harms way for his students and takes a bullet.Another student injured. This teacher did NOT have a gun.
Trump wants to put their economy back in the black. Ban gun imports. Then they can kill one another with their own weapons. Perhaps its a start.

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