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Stuk Top half 31 May 18 1.22pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Agreed, although we obviously can’t do that to an EU licence holder, yet, and with the lack of HGV drivers it wouldn’t be a wise idea, yet. If ever. You just know that'll be appealed in court in the future, if it gets brought in after leaving. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 31 May 18 1.22pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agreed, although we obviously can’t do that to an EU licence holder, yet, and with the lack of HGV drivers it wouldn’t be a wise idea, yet.

If ever. You just know that'll be appealed in court in the future, if it gets brought in after leaving.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 31 May 18 1.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger My son has just failed his driving test for the second time. My neighbour's son has failed three times. My best mates daughter failed her first test for next to nothing. I know my son is capable of driving and his driving instructor feels the same. Am I biased, paranoid or is the government conning us all out of hundreds of pounds each by failing people deliberately? Discuss. Unless it has changed, you get a list of majors and minors? tot up the score and you pass or fail? If it is as above does your son / mates daughter disagree with what's highlighted? Or they agree but think they shouldn't fail because of it? the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 31 May 18 1.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

My son has just failed his driving test for the second time. My neighbour's son has failed three times. My best mates daughter failed her first test for next to nothing.
I know my son is capable of driving and his driving instructor feels the same. Am I biased, paranoid or is the government conning us all out of hundreds of pounds each by failing people deliberately?

Discuss.

Unless it has changed, you get a list of majors and minors? tot up the score and you pass or fail?

If it is as above does your son / mates daughter disagree with what's highlighted? Or they agree but think they shouldn't fail because of it?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Stuk Top half 31 May 18 1.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I guess what I'm saying is that based on my personal experience, I'm starting to suspect that all is not as squeaky clean as you would hope. I passed first time back in the 80's as did my wife but I don't know anyone personally who has passed first time in the last 5 years. But what was the actual reason given for failing her? It will be specified. Breaking the speed limit slightly is next to nothing in terms of driving offences, and how commonly it is done, but it'd get you a fail on your test. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 31 May 18 1.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I guess what I'm saying is that based on my personal experience, I'm starting to suspect that all is not as squeaky clean as you would hope. I passed first time back in the 80's as did my wife but I don't know anyone personally who has passed first time in the last 5 years.

But what was the actual reason given for failing her? It will be specified.

Breaking the speed limit slightly is next to nothing in terms of driving offences, and how commonly it is done, but it'd get you a fail on your test.

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 1.27pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Unless it has changed, you get a list of majors and minors? tot up the score and you pass or fail? If it is as above does your son / mates daughter disagree with what's highlighted? Or they agree but think they shouldn't fail because of it? Well, the major/minor system is entirely at the discretion of the tester and there is no appeal. Basically, you can complain and get your money back in theory but that would be tricky in practice. In the case of both my son and daughter, the instructor who was sat in the back said that the tester was wrong to fail them. You can see how arbitrary it all is and open to fiddling.
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Unless it has changed, you get a list of majors and minors? tot up the score and you pass or fail?

If it is as above does your son / mates daughter disagree with what's highlighted? Or they agree but think they shouldn't fail because of it?

Well, the major/minor system is entirely at the discretion of the tester and there is no appeal. Basically, you can complain and get your money back in theory but that would be tricky in practice. In the case of both my son and daughter, the instructor who was sat in the back said that the tester was wrong to fail them.
You can see how arbitrary it all is and open to fiddling.

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 1.29pm
Originally posted by Stuk But what was the actual reason given for failing her? It will be specified. Breaking the speed limit slightly is next to nothing in terms of driving offences, and how commonly it is done, but it'd get you a fail on your test. I forget exactly in her case. I remember that she only had two minors.
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Hrolf The Ganger

31 May 18 1.29pm

Originally posted by Stuk

But what was the actual reason given for failing her? It will be specified.

Breaking the speed limit slightly is next to nothing in terms of driving offences, and how commonly it is done, but it'd get you a fail on your test.

I forget exactly in her case. I remember that she only had two minors.

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Stuk Top half 31 May 18 1.31pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I forget exactly in her case. I remember that she only had two minors. Then she definitely had at least one major, which is a fail. There were always people banging on about there being pass quotas per day/per centre back when I did mine, they were normally the people who had failed. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 31 May 18 1.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I forget exactly in her case. I remember that she only had two minors.

Then she definitely had at least one major, which is a fail.

There were always people banging on about there being pass quotas per day/per centre back when I did mine, they were normally the people who had failed.

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 31 May 18 1.35pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well, the major/minor system is entirely at the discretion of the tester and there is no appeal. Basically, you can complain and get your money back in theory but that would be tricky in practice. In the case of both my son and daughter, the instructor who was sat in the back said that the tester was wrong to fail them.[ You can see how arbitrary it all is and open to fiddling. Is this common practise now? Never knew of it when I took test - admittedly a lng time ago.
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Banstead Surrey 31 May 18 1.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well, the major/minor system is entirely at the discretion of the tester and there is no appeal. Basically, you can complain and get your money back in theory but that would be tricky in practice. In the case of both my son and daughter, the instructor who was sat in the back said that the tester was wrong to fail them.[
You can see how arbitrary it all is and open to fiddling.

Is this common practise now? Never knew of it when I took test - admittedly a lng time ago.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 31 May 18 1.43pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well, the major/minor system is entirely at the discretion of the tester and there is no appeal. Basically, you can complain and get your money back in theory but that would be tricky in practice. In the case of both my son and daughter, the instructor who was sat in the back said that the tester was wrong to fail them. You can see how arbitrary it all is and open to fiddling. When I took mine, I had a couple of minors I think and I was told what they were and when they had occurred. It was observation when parking in a bay (Wallington Library) I think that there is some merit in the lcaim that some centres are easier than others purely based on the test routes. Otherwise I think it is as fair as it can be. FWIW when I failed my first test I felt aggrieved and didn't bother for a few years. It was only after I passed and had been driving for a while I realised actually it was probably best as I wasn't quite as good as I thought. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 31 May 18 1.43pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

When I took mine, I had a couple of minors I think and I was told what they were and when they had occurred. It was observation when parking in a bay (Wallington Library)

I think that there is some merit in the lcaim that some centres are easier than others purely based on the test routes. Otherwise I think it is as fair as it can be.

FWIW when I failed my first test I felt aggrieved and didn't bother for a few years. It was only after I passed and had been driving for a while I realised actually it was probably best as I wasn't quite as good as I thought.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Stuk Top half 31 May 18 2.07pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch When I took mine, I had a couple of minors I think and I was told what they were and when they had occurred. It was observation when parking in a bay (Wallington Library) I think that there is some merit in the lcaim that some centres are easier than others purely based on the test routes. Otherwise I think it is as fair as it can be. FWIW when I failed my first test I felt aggrieved and didn't bother for a few years. It was only after I passed and had been driving for a while I realised actually it was probably best as I wasn't quite as good as I thought. The one you and I used was allegedly one of the better ones. Also helps if you do them at a quieter time of day for traffic. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 31 May 18 2.07pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

When I took mine, I had a couple of minors I think and I was told what they were and when they had occurred. It was observation when parking in a bay (Wallington Library)

I think that there is some merit in the lcaim that some centres are easier than others purely based on the test routes. Otherwise I think it is as fair as it can be.

The one you and I used was allegedly one of the better ones. Also helps if you do them at a quieter time of day for traffic.

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Direwolf Lincoln 31 May 18 2.07pm
Originally posted by rob1969 Is this common practise now? Never knew of it when I took test - admittedly a lng time ago. I wondered that as my instructor did not sit in on mine, a long time ago, nor did my daughters, a few years back.
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Lincoln 31 May 18 2.07pm

Originally posted by rob1969

Is this common practise now? Never knew of it when I took test - admittedly a lng time ago.

I wondered that as my instructor did not sit in on mine, a long time ago, nor did my daughters, a few years back.

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Direwolf Lincoln 31 May 18 2.15pm
Originally posted by Stuk The one you and I used was allegedly one of the better ones. Also helps if you do them at a quieter time of day for traffic. I failed my first one in Croydon, where the traffic was a nightmare. Passed the second in Sutton, where less so. Mind you on the first I failed because I 'failed to observe road signs'. I thought that was a bit sneaky, although ultimately correct, as the examiner told me where to go at every turning bar one, where he said nothing. This was at a one way junction and he said nothing until I said 'which way would you like me to go'? This was obviously his test for observing road signs, which is probably fine if every other examiner uses the same test with all pupils.
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Lincoln 31 May 18 2.15pm

Originally posted by Stuk

The one you and I used was allegedly one of the better ones. Also helps if you do them at a quieter time of day for traffic.

I failed my first one in Croydon, where the traffic was a nightmare. Passed the second in Sutton, where less so. Mind you on the first I failed because I 'failed to observe road signs'. I thought that was a bit sneaky, although ultimately correct, as the examiner told me where to go at every turning bar one, where he said nothing. This was at a one way junction and he said nothing until I said 'which way would you like me to go'? This was obviously his test for observing road signs, which is probably fine if every other examiner uses the same test with all pupils.

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 May 18 2.15pm
Originally posted by rob1969 Is this common practise now? Never knew of it when I took test - admittedly a lng time ago. You have the choice. I'm not sure if it is a help or a hindrance myself, but it does give you another opinion on how you did and perhaps helps some relax. I do wonder about the relationship between instructors and testers. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 May 2018 2.16pm)
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31 May 18 2.15pm

Originally posted by rob1969

Is this common practise now? Never knew of it when I took test - admittedly a lng time ago.

You have the choice. I'm not sure if it is a help or a hindrance myself, but it does give you another opinion on how you did and perhaps helps some relax.
I do wonder about the relationship between instructors and testers.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 May 2018 2.16pm)

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