If you expect me to say it's like the late 70s where bigoted skins are roaming the streets or there are national front matches going I won't because it isn't it is more subtle than that I will give you a very small example.

On these boards there was discussion of how these recent riots would make employers and landlords think twice about dealings with black people in general, when I tried to point out the historic poll tax riots that where predominantly white people were rioting and would white people be viewed the same by employers etc, the replies very specifically drew a distinction in terms of it wasn't white people doing the rioting it was crusties or agitators.

So basically if black people are involved in something like rioting they/we are viewed as a collective if white people do that it is only the perpetrators are singled out and described in differing ways and not as a collective.

If you expect me to say it's like the late 70s where bigoted skins are roaming the streets or there are national front matches going I won't because it isn't it is more subtle than that I will give you a very small example.

On these boards there was discussion of how these recent riots would make employers and landlords think twice about dealings with black people in general, when I tried to point out the historic poll tax riots that where predominantly white people were rioting and would white people be viewed the same by employers etc, the replies very specifically drew a distinction in terms of it wasn't white people doing the rioting it was crusties or agitators.

So basically if black people are involved in something like rioting they/we are viewed as a collective if white people do that it is only the perpetrators are singled out and described in differing ways and not as a collective.

Fair enough no I haven't been marching and my personal grievances are the grouse generalisations about the black community based on the actions of some, a fact you can understand growing up in south london, I grew up in south london and I can't understand it.

Now you answer my question as fairs fair.

Do I actually need to ask people personally about what they marched?
It seems self evident to me in most cases.
Most people march because they are young and want to rebel against something. Right now we have Donald Trump and a Tory government which is a perfect recipe for the same old people to go marching.
George Floyd despite being a violent armed robber and drug dealer seems to have been the perfect excuse.

Do I think the police in America should do more to root out rogue cops? Yes

Do I think his killing was about racism? No.

Do I think that Britain has any of those problems? No

Do I think Britain is one of the most tolerant places in the world? Yes.

Do I find it offensive when Black people think I should kneel or be accused of racism? You are damn right I do.
Do I feel personally responsible for the plight of Black people? Not in the least.

Ok fair enough you are entitled to believe what you believe, but you stated with such surety why I was wrong I would have thought you would have had some more factual evidence to back it up than that, but I'll leave this one there as we will end up going round in circles.

This is the point.

What really bemuses me is yes, I generally have a negative view of the black community I’ll happily admit that but that’s purely based on my own experiences not some made up notion of racism. I grew up in south London and actually only left last year, I therefore grew up surrounded by black contemporaries and my experience is so called stereotypes are often well earned such as the lack of father figures, glorification of gang lifestyles, general disregard for typically British values, negative attitudes towards women and actually general negative attitude towards white people. I grew up with some social fads including happy slapping, rapping about crime and mugging, ducking mugging was a genuine fad and it wasn’t white kids promoting it and very rarely in my experience practicing it. We had the London riots too but I won’t get into that. I find it shocking there is no admission of willingness to address these issues from the black community and in fact often see this deflected as racism which is infuriating. If experiences of black people need to be acknowledged surely my own have validity too?

In spite of this and yes in spite of this I still am very aware of my own biases, my unconscious bias and maintain good relationships with black friends and colleagues, let alone the wide variety of other cultures and ethnicities we have in society. Ethnicity and culture very rarely factor or feature in my day to day experiences, thoughts or decisions if ever. When the missus bought home a cat I wouldn’t of named it bleeding Wilf (even with the whole Arsenal/Evertongate) if i was so inclined.

I most certainly don’t have a negative view of ALL black people
there’s no logic in that and that would totally inhibit my own life. What I resent is having sweeping and absolute ideologies shoved down my throat constantly such as that all black people are horrifically maligned by the entire white population and this gives you a right to tell me I should be grovelling for forgiveness and march in thousands during a pandemic, abuse public workers and trash the capital, especially after complaining how hard done by you are from Covid.

I’d happily participate in a dialogue about race and would actively participate in promoting equality but this is not a reality however. Left wing media have pummelled people with a one sided, absolute narrative around these issues which has completely distorted the reality and therefore any ability to actually resolve social issues.

I would be absolutely slammed for stating this elsewhere which I find astonishing. Whilst so many will disagree with me, I strongly believe and mpredict there will be no strides made towards social harmony with the current status quo. You may get some concessions for certain groups and many halfwits towing the line, although perhaps better to have them on that side, but it will be entirely disingenuous and superficial.

You can’t possibly change people with half a brains views and opinions through coercion, you can make them comply butneed to have open discussion from both sides to achieve progress.