I think we need to think beyond the details of this and see the bigger picture.
Some might think that the removal of statues and the banning of songs is OK because they seems like small but reasonable measures to placate one particular group.
Sadly, it won't end there. Today it will be Swing Low Sweet Chariot and tomorrow it will be something else.

The sort of people who are preoccupied with victimhood and removing statues are the sort of people who will never be satisfied. They will never be satisfied because they will never acknowledge responsibility for their own lives in 2020 or forgive for what they see as generational injustice.
They want more power. They want to take what they think they are entitled to by complaining about it. Soon they will be demanding it.

As awful as slavery was, it is by no means the only example of human suffering or hardship. Many White people living in Britain today are the descendants of people who lived in abject poverty and under the heal of the ruling classes. Cruelty, misery, injustice was everywhere in the past. Britain celebrates its Empire days but how many of our forbears enjoyed the fruits of that era? Where was the trickle down for any of us?

How were the majority of White people doing in Britain 300,400 years ago and beyond?
Well in the 17th century, Britain was so awful for many that they risked life and limb to travel to America to start a new life.
None of this is designed to underplay the evils of slavery, but to put it into a context where you see that the average White man of our past did not have privilege, was subject to oppression, religious intolerance, feudalism, servitude and often didn't even have a pot to piss in.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jun 2020 10.30am)

you are absolutely correct in what you say and it took over 300 years to get from that point to where the descendents of those people are now. However if you draw parallels with where for instance descendants of slavery were in the 60s when they were enduring comparable injustices you seem to be implying (correct me if I'm wrong) that they should be in a similar position now to the decedents those people from the 17th century and in doing so replicating 3 centuries of struggle in a mere 50 or so years, quite a task wouldn't you think?

I think we need to think beyond the details of this and see the bigger picture.
Some might think that the removal of statues and the banning of songs is OK because they seems like small but reasonable measures to placate one particular group.
Sadly, it won't end there. Today it will be Swing Low Sweet Chariot and tomorrow it will be something else.

The sort of people who are preoccupied with victimhood and removing statues are the sort of people who will never be satisfied. They will never be satisfied because they will never acknowledge responsibility for their own lives in 2020 or forgive for what they see as generational injustice.
They want more power. They want to take what they think they are entitled to by complaining about it. Soon they will be demanding it.

As awful as slavery was, it is by no means the only example of human suffering or hardship. Many White people living in Britain today are the descendants of people who lived in abject poverty and under the heal of the ruling classes. Cruelty, misery, injustice was everywhere in the past. Britain celebrates its Empire days but how many of our forbears enjoyed the fruits of that era? Where was the trickle down for any of us?

How were the majority of White people doing in Britain 300,400 years ago and beyond?
Well in the 17th century, Britain was so awful for many that they risked life and limb to travel to America to start a new life.
None of this is designed to underplay the evils of slavery, but to put it into a context where you see that the average White man of our past did not have privilege, was subject to oppression, religious intolerance, feudalism, servitude and often didn't even have a pot to piss in.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jun 2020 10.30am)

Going to be pedantic, but there was no 17th Century Britain. The act of the Union didnt come in until 1706.

Newton's laws were first published Principa in 1784. It was a time where almost everyone didnt understand gravity. Origin of the species didnt come out until the 1850's! People had no idea that evolution existed. As a concept, racism, probably wasn't defined.

The term Homo sapien was first recorded in about 1750. If homo sapiens are around 500,000 years old, we should really be celebrating how fast we are progressing from tribalism to and almost civilised race in about 3,000 years, with the biggest improvements being made recently.

I did have a few answers for this but I knew there would come a time when I got bored of contributing to debate on these forums and that time has come so I'm off.

I will say one thing though if it's as easy and simplistic as you seem to be implying you should go into politics and solve all the economic and social issues of every impoverished community no matter their ethnic make up.

I didn’t know this until recently, because we aren’t the virtue signalling type, and we just do things for people that we think are worth doing them for, but my brother, a successful office professional, mentors a young black man. This black guy was telling my brother which self help books and alike and no doubt black authors on professional struggles he was reading, probably because that’s what he’s grown up thinking or been told somewhere that’s what he needs to do, and that’s where the ground is to be gained.

My brother told him to stop reading it all and told him what he needs to read up on in his desired field. This black guy’s heritage is Ghanaian. He’s gone on to become very successful, invited my brother to his wedding and hasn’t looked back at what problems there are, or are maybe out there to cloud his positive ambition and mindset. Maybe it’s as much or more down to class than purely skin colour. Ghanaian families have a strict, disciplined and solid family structure, but he was still advised and had the doubts and expectations of obstacles and not being accepted from somewhere. Didn’t need to. Just needed knowledge, not weigh himself down opinions and expectations of what will and won’t happen.