Will we ever defeat Islamic terrorism ?

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 Jun 18 9.54am
Yes, they will get bored / die or finally have a shag the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 05 Jun 18 9.54am

Yes, they will get bored / die or finally have a shag

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Mstrobez 10 Jun 18 3.44am
I think the question that should be asked is “we will ever defeat terrorism”. However hypocritical or honest your interpretation of what terrorism is will provide a myriad of answers. There will always be perverse ideologies. The source of these ideologies aren’t confined between races, religions or classes. Dangerous ideologies usually breed the potential for terrorism, and they exist all over the place. The answer to whether or not we will actually defeat terrorism period is dependant on whether or not we’re big enough to take a look in the mirror. Anything is possible where there is a strong enough will, but we first must acknowledge our own acts of terrorism, and stop participating in them. Until that time comes, terrorist attacks will occur habitualy and all over the world. And terror starting from the West will almost certainly be the most damaging. Edited by Mstrobez (10 Jun 2018 3.52am) We're the Arthur over ere!
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10 Jun 18 3.44am

I think the question that should be asked is “we will ever defeat terrorism”. However hypocritical or honest your interpretation of what terrorism is will provide a myriad of answers.

There will always be perverse ideologies. The source of these ideologies aren’t confined between races, religions or classes. Dangerous ideologies usually breed the potential for terrorism, and they exist all over the place.

The answer to whether or not we will actually defeat terrorism period is dependant on whether or not we’re big enough to take a look in the mirror. Anything is possible where there is a strong enough will, but we first must acknowledge our own acts of terrorism, and stop participating in them.

Until that time comes, terrorist attacks will occur habitualy and all over the world. And terror starting from the West will almost certainly be the most damaging.

Edited by Mstrobez (10 Jun 2018 3.52am)

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Stirlingsays 10 Jun 18 7.57am
Originally posted by Mstrobez I think the question that should be asked is “we will ever defeat terrorism”. However hypocritical or honest your interpretation of what terrorism is will provide a myriad of answers. There will always be perverse ideologies. The source of these ideologies aren’t confined between races, religions or classes. Dangerous ideologies usually breed the potential for terrorism, and they exist all over the place. The answer to whether or not we will actually defeat terrorism period is dependant on whether or not we’re big enough to take a look in the mirror. Anything is possible where there is a strong enough will, but we first must acknowledge our own acts of terrorism, and stop participating in them. Until that time comes, terrorist attacks will occur habitualy and all over the world. And terror starting from the West will almost certainly be the most damaging. Edited by Mstrobez (10 Jun 2018 3.52am) The overwhelming statistic reality is that the vast majority of terrorism around the world is carried out by the adherents of one religion. We obviously know that the majority of Muslims just don't support this. I don't think it helps to muddy the waters with expanding out the definition of terrorism to include the actions of states you don't like or agree with. At the very least you would need to be explicit in making your case for this. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2018 7.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Jun 18 7.57am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I think the question that should be asked is “we will ever defeat terrorism”. However hypocritical or honest your interpretation of what terrorism is will provide a myriad of answers.

Until that time comes, terrorist attacks will occur habitualy and all over the world. And terror starting from the West will almost certainly be the most damaging.

Edited by Mstrobez (10 Jun 2018 3.52am)

The overwhelming statistic reality is that the vast majority of terrorism around the world is carried out by the adherents of one religion. We obviously know that the majority of Muslims just don't support this.

I don't think it helps to muddy the waters with expanding out the definition of terrorism to include the actions of states you don't like or agree with.

At the very least you would need to be explicit in making your case for this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2018 7.58am)

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jun 18 10.11am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not on our current trajectory. The numbers on watch lists are only going to increase. What I worry about is when they figure out how to avoid being caught.....what was it? 12 broken up attack plans in the last year? It's probably like the gun debate in the US....too far gone to remedy. The politicians gave you this. Sorry to jump across threads but this is a well rounded and reasoned post by you on this subject. If you mean what you’re writing here. Please tell me what you think Tommy Robinson and his followers are actually going to achieve other than stoking the fire and riling the Islamists, raising the danger levels even further? "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not on our current trajectory.

The numbers on watch lists are only going to increase. What I worry about is when they figure out how to avoid being caught.....what was it? 12 broken up attack plans in the last year?

It's probably like the gun debate in the US....too far gone to remedy.

The politicians gave you this.

Sorry to jump across threads but this is a well rounded and reasoned post by you on this subject.
If you mean what you’re writing here. Please tell me what you think Tommy Robinson and his followers are actually going to achieve other than stoking the fire and riling the Islamists, raising the danger levels even further?

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Stirlingsays 10 Jun 18 10.44am
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General Sorry to jump across threads but this is a well rounded and reasoned post by you on this subject. If you mean what you’re writing here. Please tell me what you think Tommy Robinson and his followers are actually going to achieve other than stoking the fire and riling the Islamists, raising the danger levels even further? I view Robinson in much the same way plenty on the left view Corbyn and on the right view Trump: a blunt instrument. A direction of travel to a location, but not an address. There is no doubt that there are supporters of Robinson who go too far. I don't support violence against people because of their religion. That's societal breakdown and we need to avoid that because innocent people frequently end up getting hurt. Essentially what was Robinson doing before he was arrested and jailed? Before the hornet's nest was stirred? He was highlighting the excesses of Islam and the rapes of thousands of girls which has been downplayed by the state.......who are negligent in the enabling of these rapes. There are wider questions about birth demographics and what the nature of a country is or what we should want or advocate. I'm willing to have those conversations but everything gets mired in overly reactive language. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2018 10.47am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Jun 18 10.44am

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

I view Robinson in much the same way plenty on the left view Corbyn and on the right view Trump: a blunt instrument. A direction of travel to a location, but not an address.

There is no doubt that there are supporters of Robinson who go too far. I don't support violence against people because of their religion. That's societal breakdown and we need to avoid that because innocent people frequently end up getting hurt.

Essentially what was Robinson doing before he was arrested and jailed? Before the hornet's nest was stirred? He was highlighting the excesses of Islam and the rapes of thousands of girls which has been downplayed by the state.......who are negligent in the enabling of these rapes.

There are wider questions about birth demographics and what the nature of a country is or what we should want or advocate. I'm willing to have those conversations but everything gets mired in overly reactive language.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2018 10.47am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 10 Jun 18 8.45pm
What if the extended family of a terrorist murderer got their dole /benefits severely curtailed ? And or were put on compulsory 'back to work ' schemes ? Higher income taxes too. Money talks You wanna suicide yourself ( and kill kids ) in the guaranteed knowledge of bringing much hardship to all your relatives. Terrorists live among the community , let the community flex some muscle. Edited by PalazioVecchio (10 Jun 2018 9.04pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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What if the extended family of a terrorist murderer got their dole /benefits severely curtailed ? And or were put on compulsory 'back to work ' schemes ? Higher income taxes too.

Money talks

You wanna suicide yourself ( and kill kids ) in the guaranteed knowledge of bringing much hardship to all your relatives. Terrorists live among the community , let the community flex some muscle.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (10 Jun 2018 9.04pm)

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 10 Jun 18 11.22pm
Originally posted by Bert the Head The west (Us) has always colluded/negotiated with radical Islam as long as it suits us. We continually support radical Islam against internal secular democratic movements because democratic movements want to rule their country in their interests and we want to hire any guns available to rule it in our interests. I recommend Chomsky. Honestly have a look. Quoted for truth. People on the opposite political fence to Chomsky may try to deride him, but his conclusions are rigourously evidenced and (short of putting ones fingers in ones ears and shouting "lalalalala I can't hear you" are very, very hard to argue against. Radical Islamic terrorism is a tool, not an enemy, of Power in the "developed" world. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Originally posted by Bert the Head

The west (Us) has always colluded/negotiated with radical Islam as long as it suits us. We continually support radical Islam against internal secular democratic movements because democratic movements want to rule their country in their interests and we want to hire any guns available to rule it in our interests.

I recommend Chomsky. Honestly have a look.

Quoted for truth.

People on the opposite political fence to Chomsky may try to deride him, but his conclusions are rigourously evidenced and (short of putting ones fingers in ones ears and shouting "lalalalala I can't hear you" are very, very hard to argue against.

Radical Islamic terrorism is a tool, not an enemy, of Power in the "developed" world.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Stirlingsays 11 Jun 18 1.02am
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Quoted for truth. People on the opposite political fence to Chomsky may try to deride him, but his conclusions are rigourously evidenced and (short of putting ones fingers in ones ears and shouting "lalalalala I can't hear you" are very, very hard to argue against. Radical Islamic terrorism is a tool, not an enemy, of Power in the "developed" world. Rubbish. Ok then, introduce each of his arguments one by one and I will refute them. Fingers in one's ears indeed. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 2.31am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Jun 18 1.02am

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Quoted for truth.

Radical Islamic terrorism is a tool, not an enemy, of Power in the "developed" world.

Rubbish.

Ok then, introduce each of his arguments one by one and I will refute them.

Fingers in one's ears indeed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 2.31am)

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 11 Jun 18 7.11pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Rubbish. Ok then, introduce each of his arguments one by one and I will refute them. Fingers in one's ears indeed. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 2.31am) There are so, so many of them you'd be better off (and substantially richer too) reading his large body of work and then publishing a tome where you can refute it all, with counter evidence. I'm sure there would be a market for it! Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 11 Jun 18 7.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Rubbish.

Ok then, introduce each of his arguments one by one and I will refute them.

Fingers in one's ears indeed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 2.31am)

There are so, so many of them you'd be better off (and substantially richer too) reading his large body of work and then publishing a tome where you can refute it all, with counter evidence.

I'm sure there would be a market for it!

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Stirlingsays 11 Jun 18 7.14pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle There are so, so many of them you'd be better off (and substantially richer too) reading his large body of work and then publishing a tome where you can refute it all, with counter evidence. I'm sure there would be a market for it! Well fair enough.....I know how much of a pain in the arse it is when someone asks you to do this kind of thing. Still, if you decide you want to go through these ideas one by one, I'm willing to do it....If and when you might wish to I disagree with Chomsky and plenty do but I can see that he's well meaning. But as they say....the road to hell is paved...and so forth. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 7.15pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Jun 18 7.14pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

There are so, so many of them you'd be better off (and substantially richer too) reading his large body of work and then publishing a tome where you can refute it all, with counter evidence.

I'm sure there would be a market for it!

Well fair enough.....I know how much of a pain in the arse it is when someone asks you to do this kind of thing.

Still, if you decide you want to go through these ideas one by one, I'm willing to do it....If and when you might wish to

I disagree with Chomsky and plenty do but I can see that he's well meaning.

But as they say....the road to hell is paved...and so forth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 7.15pm)

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