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 becky  over the moon 23 Jul 18 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
No you were using Turkey as an example of a nation proud of it's history referring to the ottoman empire, the point I was making was that it is still a country in conflict and still at loggerheads with it's neighbours and is therefore not a good example. We have long moved away from the conflicts which shaped our past and prefer to distance ourselves from some of our chequered history especially since the effects are still felt today Indeed, look at India - those damn spare wives still won't go back to immolating themselves on their husbands' funeral pyres, and the rest of them are still getting about on OUR railway, to get to the plantations that we built for them, that grow the tea we knicked from China for them...... We really were a s*** conquering nation.......
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Jul 18 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Indeed, look at India - those damn spare wives still won't go back to immolating themselves on their husbands' funeral pyres, and the rest of them are still getting about on OUR railway, to get to the plantations that we built for them, that grow the tea we knicked from China for them...... We really were a s*** conquering nation.......
And how much thanks did we get from the bloody Germans for inventing concentration camps? Bloody none, that's how much.
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 Stirlingsays 23 Jul 18 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
No you were using Turkey as an example of a nation proud of it's history referring to the ottoman empire, the point I was making was that it is still a country in conflict and still at loggerheads with it's neighbours and is therefore not a good example. We have long moved away from the conflicts which shaped our past and prefer to distance ourselves from some of our chequered history especially since the effects are still felt today No you have brought into that crap. I reject it and that one sided reading of history will be fully kept away from my sons. I will teach them that Imperialism needs to be seen within the context of its time and within the context of human nature. Turkey doesn't care how you think about it. Besides it isn't the only example of countries that don't suffer this Marxist view of history......which is almost amusing considering the hell that Marxism enabled in the world.
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Park Road  23 Jul 18 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No you have brought into that crap. I reject it and that one sided reading of history will be fully kept away from my sons. I will teach them that Imperialism needs to be seen within the context of its time and within the context of human nature. Turkey doesn't care how you think about it. Besides it isn't the only example of countries that don't suffer this Marxist view of history......which is almost amusing considering the hell that Marxism enabled in the world.
"objectivism" is a trait of a good history teacher, in a world where most history books are subjective.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Jul 18 6.13pm |
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Polls have shown that most people believe the British Empire is something to be proud of and that countries are better off since.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jul 18 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Polls have shown that most people believe the British Empire is something to be proud of and that countries are better off since. It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Jul 18 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising.
The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 23 Jul 18 7.35pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising. No probs, here's YouGov. [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (23 Jul 2018 7.38pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jul 18 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It depends what you mean by better off I suppose - do you have a link for the poll you mention, out of interest? No reason to doubt you, but just seems surprising. Do you actually understand that Britain was one of many countries who had ambitions to exploit the undeveloped world? Do you not grasp the fact that it could just as easily been us being exploited in the same way that the Romans did years earlier?
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Pussay Patrol  23 Jul 18 8.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest. Well it stands to reason really, we'll only pillage if it's worth pillaging
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jul 18 8.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Do you actually understand that Britain was one of many countries who had ambitions to exploit the undeveloped world? Do you not grasp the fact that it could just as easily been us being exploited in the same way that the Romans did years earlier? Do you actually read the post of the person you're replying to?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jul 18 8.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The ones that had the least amount of colonization are the poorest. I didn't know that, but it makes sense. Undoubtedly the exposure to better technology, better understanding of economics etc meant they fast-tracked in a lot of ways, but it's difficult to weigh that up against the violence, oppression and loss of culture - that's what I meant by "it depends what you mean by better off". Overall, I very much agree with you that it has to be seen within the context of it's time.
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