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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 04 Jul 18 7.02am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

We were 'lucky' on the lottery of penalties and he has put some self belief in the players. But his decision to try to hang on to a 1-0 lead with 15 mins left against a team who were at that stage clueless and resorting to thuggery and cheating was a poor one. We were in control and his decisions had us hanging on in the first period of extra time.

So pleased we won a penalty shoot out, but I hope he has learnt from his mistakes. He also perseveres with Ali and Sterling who are offering very little threat.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 04 Jul 18 8.55am

Originally posted by fish mitten

We were 'lucky' on the lottery of penalties and he has put some self belief in the players. But his decision to try to hang on to a 1-0 lead with 15 mins left against a team who were at that stage clueless and resorting to thuggery and cheating was a poor one. We were in control and his decisions had us hanging on in the first period of extra time.

So pleased we won a penalty shoot out, but I hope he has learnt from his mistakes. He also perseveres with Ali and Sterling who are offering very little threat.

But Southgate said we practiced penalties and we prepared for that situation, we won.

Previous managers never practiced penalties saying that you cannot recreate the same scenario, we lost

Just sayin'

 


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Once Dier came on we suddenly ceased to have a midfield. I understand the thinking but it wasn't the right tactic IMO as it invited pressure and broke the link between defence and attack, especially given we play it out from the back. RLC, Delph or Rashford would have been better options than Dier, or even with Dier but taking Lingard off, whose first touch last night was awful. Apart from one link up behind their left back Lingard may as well have been a brick wall for all the control, link up and threat he offered.

I do think he's quite limited in his options, with Vardy and Sterling both offering little. Could have started Rashford though.

But in Southgate's defence he at least has a plan A that is reasonably solid and helps ball retention and picks players to suit the system rather than trying to shoehorn as many Manure or Liverpool players in as possible. He also has clearly managed to create a good atmosphere in the camp and made the right call against Belgium by throwing the game.

 

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Best Manager since Hoddle?

Nah!

He'll never beat Sam Allardyce's 'unbeaten as Manager' record

 


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Originally posted by becky

Best Manager since Hoddle?

Nah!

He'll never beat Sam Allardyce's 'unbeaten as Manager' record

 


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No-one's mentioned Roy's tenure as national manager.

 


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We may have practiced, we indeed won, with some wonderful penalties. Still maintain that it ended up going to extra time due to Southgate's substitutions. Rather that sticking Dier on to shore up a game we were well in control of, I would have brought Rashford on for Dele Alli. He could have stretched the Colombian defence if they pushed forward, and if they did equalise, he is more likely to create a goal out of nothing than Vardy is.

Done nothing to suggest he is our greatest manager for awhile yet. All a matter of opinion of course!


Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

But Southgate said we practiced penalties and we prepared for that situation, we won.

Previous managers never practiced penalties saying that you cannot recreate the same scenario, we lost

Just sayin'

 

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Agree with everything you've said. Rashford for Dele Alli was the obvious substitution for me. Would have stretched the Colombia defence, more likely to draw more fouls and in the event of a equaliser, is a potential game changer. Instead he tried to shore it up and just gave up possession and invited pressure. I really doubt if Vardy is of much international use, he's only good for a long ball through when the opposition are pressing. Once Colombia equalised the two changes we had made, had actually made things worse for us.


Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Once Dier came on we suddenly ceased to have a midfield. I understand the thinking but it wasn't the right tactic IMO as it invited pressure and broke the link between defence and attack, especially given we play it out from the back. RLC, Delph or Rashford would have been better options than Dier, or even with Dier but taking Lingard off, whose first touch last night was awful. Apart from one link up behind their left back Lingard may as well have been a brick wall for all the control, link up and threat he offered.

I do think he's quite limited in his options, with Vardy and Sterling both offering little. Could have started Rashford though.

But in Southgate's defence he at least has a plan A that is reasonably solid and helps ball retention and picks players to suit the system rather than trying to shoehorn as many Manure or Liverpool players in as possible. He also has clearly managed to create a good atmosphere in the camp and made the right call against Belgium by throwing the game.

 

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View the_mcanuff_stuff's Profile the_mcanuff_stuff Flag Caterham 04 Jul 18 12.15pm Send a Private Message to the_mcanuff_stuff Add the_mcanuff_stuff as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Although slightly fortuitous in the end tonight, I felt all tournament our shape, tactics, discipline and togetherness of the squad has been exemplarary. It wasn't a sparkling performance but we didn't rise to provocation and we managed the game well

Ironically our tactics are the same as those deployed by Hoddle , 3 at the back, playing a wing back system. It plays to our strengths

Also destroys the myth there were no decent English managers to lead the England team. All the wasted years under Stupid Sven and Clueless Capello

Do you mean the England manager with the best win % of all time (discounting Big Sam's one win)?

Agree though, that Southgate has done a great job. If England make the final, which is certainly possible, that would make him the most successful England WC manager after Sir Alf.

Can't picture a win against France, Brazil or Belgium in the final, but if they have the rub of the green, who knows. One can hope but not expect, I think.

P.S. And Sven managed to get England into the quarter finals (including Euros) in all of his 3 attempts.

I'm pleased Southgate is doing well, but let's keep some perspective on previous managers. Except McLaren, he really was awful

Edited by the_mcanuff_stuff (04 Jul 2018 12.24pm)

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 04 Jul 18 12.41pm

Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Do you mean the England manager with the best win % of all time (discounting Big Sam's one win)?

Agree though, that Southgate has done a great job. If England make the final, which is certainly possible, that would make him the most successful England WC manager after Sir Alf.

Can't picture a win against France, Brazil or Belgium in the final, but if they have the rub of the green, who knows. One can hope but not expect, I think.

P.S. And Sven managed to get England into the quarter finals (including Euros) in all of his 3 attempts.

I'm pleased Southgate is doing well, but let's keep some perspective on previous managers. Except McLaren, he really was awful

Edited by the_mcanuff_stuff (04 Jul 2018 12.24pm)

No you need your head testing if you think the 2 foreigners were successful, the 2010 WC was a farce, Algeria game was as an inept performance as you'll ever see, then we were humiliated by Germany. Total Shambles. Sven had an abundance of world class players but the only teams we beat beyond the groups were Paraguay and Denmark. Again, if that's your idea of success, we'll have to agree to differ

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No you need your head testing if you think the 2 foreigners were successful, the 2010 WC was a farce, Algeria game was as an inept performance as you'll ever see, then we were humiliated by Germany. Total Shambles. Sven had an abundance of world class players but the only teams we beat beyond the groups were Paraguay and Denmark. Again, if that's your idea of success, we'll have to agree to differ

And here we've only beaten Columbia and could quite easily lose to Sweden. Let's not get carried away.

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

But Southgate said we practiced penalties and we prepared for that situation, we won.

Previous managers never practiced penalties saying that you cannot recreate the same scenario, we lost

Just sayin'

And it wasn't just about practicing the taking of penalties either.

Southgate talked about getting his players to own the whole process i.e. being composed and doing things in your own time e.g. the walk from the centre circle to take the penalty, not hurrying with the kick, not allowing yourself to be distracted and, having a clear mind as to where you are going to place it.


 

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