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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 05 Jul 18 4.42pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

We have beaten Tunisia, Panama and Columbia ( on pens ) let’s not get carried away, we lost to Belgium second string.
Southgate is excellent at PR, not sure about best manager. The team tactics and coaching are sorted out by Steve Holland.

Our 2nd string lost to their 2nd string in a game it wasn't necessary to win.

Message to team (guess): play well, don't bust a gut, enjoy yourself, no yellow cards, don't embarrass us.

All boxes ticked.

 

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michaelpearce Flag grays 05 Jul 18 6.02pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Our 2nd string lost to their 2nd string in a game it wasn't necessary to win.

Message to team (guess): play well, don't bust a gut, enjoy yourself, no yellow cards, don't embarrass us.

All boxes ticked.

myself would like us to keep winning,but your right coming second wasnt end of the world.
The one thing about this site is if they can find fault they will,they always look down never up

 

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View TomThePalaceFanatic's Profile TomThePalaceFanatic Flag 05 Jul 18 6.12pm Send a Private Message to TomThePalaceFanatic Add TomThePalaceFanatic as a friend

Southgate has started to change the culture of England's first team, with a focus on possession and changing the mentality i.e keeping a calm head, relaxed environment off the pitch etc

I think this says more about the dinosaurs previously employed by the FA, as Southgate isn't a great manager by any stretch of the imagination. He has good solid ideas on how to bring the national team forward but some of the specific decisions he has made haven't been spot on

It's just good to have an England team that the country can get behind for once, and a lot of that is down to Southgate

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 08 Jul 18 11.38am

I want to change the title of this thread to best manager since Robson

 


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View black eagle.'s Profile black eagle. Flag south croydon. 08 Jul 18 12.23pm Send a Private Message to black eagle. Add black eagle. as a friend

I think we look fantastic playing the ball out from the back.

This is the best I have seen from England have looked for years.

No hoof ball, we playing a good position based football but not forgetting things that we are good at like set pieces.

I'm actually excited watching England again and it's all down to Gareth.

Never did I think the very polite Gareth Southgate who i met in a Croydon night club over 20 years ago could actually lift the world cup.

Bring it home Gareth.

Steve Coppell, Terry Venables and co taught you well.

 

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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 08 Jul 18 1.11pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by black eagle.

I think we look fantastic playing the ball out from the back.

This is the best I have seen from England have looked for years.

No hoof ball, we playing a good position based football but not forgetting things that we are good at like set pieces.

I'm actually excited watching England again and it's all down to Gareth.

Never did I think the very polite Gareth Southgate who i met in a Croydon night club over 20 years ago could actually lift the world cup.

Bring it home Gareth.

Steve Coppell, Terry Venables and co taught you well.

I disagree abut no hoof ball, although others may call it long targeted tactical passing or a Delaney . At least twice in the Sweden match the ball was lumped forward to Sterling and that is not a bad thing.

Mixing the play up is a good thing and keeps the opposition on edge. If you purely play it one way the opposition can counter it , mix it up and they are never too sure.

Edited by johnno42000 (08 Jul 2018 1.21pm)

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 08 Jul 18 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

What Southgate has done is actually mould these players into a team, which no England manager has achieved since Robson at Italia 90. I heard Rio Ferdinand recently say that, at previous World Cups, he could sense that certain players of the so-called "golden generation" simply didn't really want to be there and I can well believe it.

Peaking with the 2010 World Cup, the England team was stuffed with arrogant, egotistical arseholes, managed by mercenaries and who, almost to a man, were thoroughly unlikeable. Compare that lot to this squad who are young, hungry and not too up themselves to refuse to be guided. Southgate has tapped into this and has instilled not only a degree of pride amongst the players but also a proper team spirit and the intelligence to work to a plan and stick with it. These things don't happen by accident - the person running the team has to take the credit for it.

England are no longer riding on the coat-tails of history - Southgate has actually got these lads believing and that can be like a twelfth man. As he said himself, 'go out there and make your own history'.

England in a World Cup semi final: that alone makes him the most effective England manager since Bobby Robson.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 08 Jul 18 2.03pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

What Southgate has done is actually mould these players into a team, which no England manager has achieved since Robson at Italia 90. I heard Rio Ferdinand recently say that, at previous World Cups, he could sense that certain players of the so-called "golden generation" simply didn't really want to be there and I can well believe it.

Peaking with the 2010 World Cup, the England team was stuffed with arrogant, egotistical arseholes, managed by mercenaries and who, almost to a man, were thoroughly unlikeable. Compare that lot to this squad who are young, hungry and not too up themselves to refuse to be guided. Southgate has tapped into this and has instilled not only a degree of pride amongst the players but also a proper team spirit and the intelligence to work to a plan and stick with it. These things don't happen by accident - the person running the team has to take the credit for it.

England are no longer riding on the coat-tails of history - Southgate has actually got these lads believing and that can be like a twelfth man. As he said himself, 'go out there and make your own history'.

England in a World Cup semi final: that alone makes him the most effective England manager since Bobby Robson.

If we should make it through and win then it's only him and Alf Ramsey. Sir Gareth has a nice ring to it...

 


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Originally posted by becky

If we should make it through and win then it's only him and Alf Ramsey. Sir Gareth has a nice ring to it...

He deserves the knighthood for vomiting over Ron Noades - winning the World Cup would be secondary to that.

 


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Did he really create a team if we consider the World Cup road with wins against Panama, Tunisia, Sweden and a draw against Colombia?

I mean it's just 4 matches. He could even go all the way against Croatia and 1 more opponent. It would be 6 decent matches, not very relevant. Would he have success in a 38 fixtures season?? It's really hard to say, for all we know it could just be luck.

But I guess that's the beauty of national teams football, it's just 90 minutes to being considered a total success or total failure....
If Tunisia had scored a 2-1 goal instead of England and they'd have gone through while England stayed at home with just 3 points in the group, I think everyone would have called Southgate the worst manager

Edited by mattteo (08 Jul 2018 2.43pm)

 

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View CB's Profile CB Flag 08 Jul 18 4.50pm Send a Private Message to CB Add CB as a friend

International management is, as you say, very different to club management. Southgate has taken to it and there's buy in and belief from the players. Winning six games in a world cup is not irrelevant and that's a bonkers theory, like being the world no1 in rankings is all well and good but if you can't win a trophy.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 08 Jul 18 4.55pm

Originally posted by mattteo

Did he really create a team if we consider the World Cup road with wins against Panama, Tunisia, Sweden and a draw against Colombia?

I mean it's just 4 matches. He could even go all the way against Croatia and 1 more opponent. It would be 6 decent matches, not very relevant. Would he have success in a 38 fixtures season?? It's really hard to say, for all we know it could just be luck.

But I guess that's the beauty of national teams football, it's just 90 minutes to being considered a total success or total failure....
If Tunisia had scored a 2-1 goal instead of England and they'd have gone through while England stayed at home with just 3 points in the group, I think everyone would have called Southgate the worst manager

Edited by mattteo (08 Jul 2018 2.43pm)

Sorry to piss on your chips but these are games we have struggled in previously.
Remember 2010? Algeria, Slovenia? USA? The so called EASY group, 2006 we made hard work of beating Trinidad! We couldn't beat Costa Rica 4 years ago, were dire in all these games

 


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