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View Rainforest's Profile Rainforest Flag London England 27 Aug 19 1.50pm Send a Private Message to Rainforest Add Rainforest as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

is that really how it works? The blokes come in, buy shares... invest and then want it back, all in space of what, 3 years?

More fool parish then... again

If the £45M are in shares as opposed to a loan the Americans have to sell them to a willing buyer at a price they wanted unless there is a share buy back clause obliging the club or SP to buy them back at a valuation at such and such a date.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Aug 19 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

that's my point, we are all but a one man team... what if he broke his leg, got injured etc, we would be doomed apparently. We should have looked at plan b and got it ready this summer.

fact is tho, without zaha we are worse, but with awb 50 mil and zaha 52 mil, that's a good 75-80 mil to spend on an awb and zaha replacement and then another attacking option, 25 mil on 3 players with 20 mil left over for jan or next year.

I fail to understand why we couldn't have done that, after 7 years in the prem... with all the scouts, dof, experience.. it shows we still fall short and don't know what we're doing or meant to do.

But sure, keep hold of zaha, have no plan b, don't get the best out of him, flog him in january, maybe have players lined up to replace him, maybe not... but cpfc is not just zaha fc and our place in the league should not be resting on one blokes shoulders.

There is no doubt that we have become too dependant on one player but we have also mortgaged ourselves to the max to survive in this league.
We need to replace aging players over the coming seasons so it seems inevitable that we will be selling Zaha as part of that. The key is timing. Wilf should be sold with two years on his contract but given the pressure he is creating, it could be sooner. He will either be given a huge pay rise or move on, but if he does go, the money must be spent wisely.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Aug 2019 2.02pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Aug 19 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Rainforest

If the £45M are in shares as opposed to a loan the Americans have to sell them to a willing buyer at a price they wanted unless there is a share buy back clause obliging the club or SP to buy them back at a valuation at such and such a date.

The £45 million is a loan, separate to the £50 mil I think of shares they bought in the first place.

If that £45 mil was turned into shares then Parishís diluted shares would be worth less, and I doubt heíd do that, again and again.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Aug 19 2.33pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is no doubt that we have become too dependant on one player but we have also mortgaged ourselves to the max to survive in this league.
We need to replace aging players over the coming seasons so it seems inevitable that we will be selling Zaha as part of that. The key is timing. Wilf should be sold with two years on his contract but given the pressure he is creating, it could be sooner. He will either be given a huge pay rise or move on, but if he does go, the money must be spent wisely.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Aug 2019 2.02pm)

Youíre coming round to my prediction, only all that started at £52 million and not at £60-70 mil which Iím surprised at, although itíll only get more problematic from Zaha and his cronies the higher the bids get, regardless of when and whether we can replace then.

Iím not saying Iím right either, just that sadly this is modern football. He also clearly isnít worth £100 mil and saying heís worth that to us doesnít work for very long when you have big clubs he wants to go to offering market value and not relegation safety value. Weíll see if the PSG bid is real or not. A real bid of £100 mil due to the very far from ideal timing. The selling with 2 years left is also hoping for an ideal turn of events I just donít see happening with Zaha making it quite clear he wants to leave.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Aug 2019 2.48pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Aug 19 3.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Youíre coming round to my prediction, only all that started at £52 million and not at £60-70 mil which Iím surprised at, although itíll only get more problematic from Zaha and his cronies the higher the bids get, regardless of when and whether we can replace then.

Iím not saying Iím right either, just that sadly this is modern football. He also clearly isnít worth £100 mil and saying heís worth that to us doesnít work for very long when you have big clubs he wants to go to offering market value and not relegation safety value. Weíll see if the PSG bid is real or not. A real bid of £100 mil due to the very far from ideal timing. The selling with 2 years left is also hoping for an ideal turn of events I just donít see happening with Zaha making it quite clear he wants to leave.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Aug 2019 2.48pm)

I'm not coming round to anything.

I would keep Zaha this season and next.
What the board does is another matter.

To sell Zaha, we must have deals in place for several PL standard players. No more Sorloths or aging gap fillers. Players who will take us forward for three or four seasons.

 

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View Fred Bassett's Profile Fred Bassett Flag rotherfield 27 Aug 19 4.04pm Send a Private Message to Fred Bassett Add Fred Bassett as a friend

I think PSG alleged move for Zaha is subject on Naymar being sold to either Real Madrid or Barca which is also a big ask in terms of Transfer fee but still doable . If Palace gets £100 mil offer Parish would accept it as it meets the agreed criteria that apparently was agreed with him and wilf previously ie: Champions League and Transfer fee. Also this would see the Americans of the payrole and perhaps SP can rethink the longer term strategy for the club , obviously No Zaha weakens the team but we have to bite the bullit some time and a £100
mil could be the right time for the future .

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 27 Aug 19 4.27pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I think that we should have taken the £52m plus McArthey - total £60m.
We would already have moved on.
He is and has been an amazing player for us but we always had to do without him one day - now is as good a time as any.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 27 Aug 19 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

There is a scenario that Wilf gets sold and they just pocket the money without replacing him. Not saying Parish and Co would but Iím sure the Americans would be keen to do it. Nice little bonus before they off back to their US teams.

Letís hope not.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Aug 19 7.24pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not coming round to anything.

I would keep Zaha this season and next.
What the board does is another matter.

To sell Zaha, we must have deals in place for several PL standard players. No more Sorloths or aging gap fillers. Players who will take us forward for three or four seasons.

Simply not going to happen. Fans are still worried heís never t going to be focused or give enough effort and you still think youíd be able to keep him for another 2 seasons from now. Iíd like us to be able to max out on his peak years and get sorted with a phase over of evolving the team too, but weíre Crystal Palace, not Fergusonís Man Utd or a top 2 team.

I think we should do all we can to stall it until January, but if £100 mil is true then heís off now. Ideally Iíd prefer June 2020 as January 2020 prices for replacements wonít be cheap, but weíre hardly managing a bidding war and itís going to get very uncomfortable and damaging with him wanting to leave. Again, some have still been worried heís caused a bad atmosphere in the squad.

 


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View MikeCrete's Profile MikeCrete Flag Cheam/Crete 27 Aug 19 9.24pm Send a Private Message to MikeCrete Add MikeCrete as a friend

Originally posted by Fred Bassett

I think PSG alleged move for Zaha is subject on Naymar being sold to either Real Madrid or Barca which is also a big ask in terms of Transfer fee but still doable . If Palace gets £100 mil offer Parish would accept it as it meets the agreed criteria that apparently was agreed with him and wilf previously ie: Champions League and Transfer fee. Also this would see the Americans of the payrole and perhaps SP can rethink the longer term strategy for the club , obviously No Zaha weakens the team but we have to bite the bullit some time and a £100
mil could be the right time for the future .

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Aug 19 9.24pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Simply not going to happen. Fans are still worried heís never t going to be focused or give enough effort and you still think youíd be able to keep him for another 2 seasons from now. Iíd like us to be able to max out on his peak years and get sorted with a phase over of evolving the team too, but weíre Crystal Palace, not Fergusonís Man Utd or a top 2 team.

I think we should do all we can to stall it until January, but if £100 mil is true then heís off now. Ideally Iíd prefer June 2020 as January 2020 prices for replacements wonít be cheap, but weíre hardly managing a bidding war and itís going to get very uncomfortable and damaging with him wanting to leave. Again, some have still been worried heís caused a bad atmosphere in the squad.

Selling him in January would be ridiculous.
The minimum would be next summer when we have time to spend the money sensibly.

 

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View MikeCrete's Profile MikeCrete Flag Cheam/Crete 27 Aug 19 9.29pm Send a Private Message to MikeCrete Add MikeCrete as a friend

The Neymar deal is key to PSG bidding for Wilf.
Barca & PSG been talking & "reported as going well"
They going to resume talks tomorrow.
Real would have to include their young striker Vinicus
to get a deal.
Nyemar wants to leave & players at his level tend to get what they want. Will SP accept a bid when we can only get loan players in until January? I think £100m would def be acceptable to the board.
Going to a nervy few days, again.

 

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