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View Charlie Croker's Profile Charlie Croker Flag Hampshire 13 Sep 19 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Charlie Croker Add Charlie Croker as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

my guess is he thinks the contract extension he signed was one of the stupidest things he ever did. and ultimately, he blames the agent.

This is my take on it. His agent would/should have advised him better on that extended deal and that seems to have ultimately been the stumbling block on a summer deal.

Not sure what a new agent would do instead, but I guess every window that passes reduces the amount we will want/be able to demand.

But like many others on here - I hope not Everton and can only see that money is the driver, as it can't be the oft-quoted Champions League football.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Sep 19 1.36pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


As has been said if playing for a Champions League club was really that important Celtic would have queues of players lining up to sign for them. The fact they canít pay hundreds of thousands a week would surely not matter.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Sep 19 1.44pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

We know from Hodgson that Wilf has Ďa beefí with Parish.
We know, from Hodgson in a Radio 5 interview , that his motivation to join Everton was about Ďmoney.í
They were reputedly willing to pay him another £70k per week.
We know that Parish and Wilfís agent have a business relationship and seem to operate quite closely.
It must be possible that Zaha believes the failure to get his move is partly attributable to his agent.
Heís on a long contract with no apparent release clause but instead a vague gentlemanís agreement that he can go to the Ďright club for the right moneyí whatever that means.
There now seems to be a lack of trust and if he appoints a new agent it seems his mandate will be to move Zaha on.
In the meantime weíre left with a disillusioned player ( yes even on his fabulous wages).
As other posters have mentioned his best course of action would be to play out of his skin to attract a top club.
However, the signs so far this season have not been promising.

 

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View ger20's Profile ger20 Flag London 13 Sep 19 2.19pm Send a Private Message to ger20 Add ger20 as a friend

Get rid off and move on, guys like Awey who put in a shift without the histrionics are the type of player we need, a good winger and striker should mitigate the loss of Wilf, the fee received for AWB should buy us a good RB and cover at LB. I thought the Everton offer of £55 million plus player in part exchange was a good deal. Wilf however is guaranteed to flop at a club like Everton in a City like Liverpool.

 

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View scuffy's Profile scuffy Flag orpington 13 Sep 19 2.40pm Send a Private Message to scuffy Add scuffy as a friend

We should have bitten their hands off. 55 mill plus Tosun and McCarthy. Not hindsight, I said it at the time. Think Tosun would do well here. Two goals for Turkey in midweek.

Originally posted by ger20

Get rid off and move on, guys like Awey who put in a shift without the histrionics are the type of player we need, a good winger and striker should mitigate the loss of Wilf, the fee received for AWB should buy us a good RB and cover at LB. I thought the Everton offer of £55 million plus player in part exchange was a good deal. Wilf however is guaranteed to flop at a club like Everton in a City like Liverpool.

 

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View scuffy's Profile scuffy Flag orpington 13 Sep 19 2.43pm Send a Private Message to scuffy Add scuffy as a friend

Would be a good deal...

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

If we were to get Batshuayi and say, 30m for Wilf and bought Watkins from Brentford for say 12m, still having Townsend, Ayew and Schlupp, would we be better off or worse? opinions

 

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View scuffy's Profile scuffy Flag orpington 13 Sep 19 2.46pm Send a Private Message to scuffy Add scuffy as a friend

He's also getting too old for a big move. Top clubs either want proven top level talent or young players they can shape. A lot of coaches will look at him, at 27, and think 'he's got too many bad habits that are too ingrained and I haven't got the time to coach that out of him now'.

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Ultimately each player makes the final decision about where they play. Truth is Wilf is not very good at it. Couple this with a clearly indecisive mentality and you end up at 27 realising your mistakes. You see AWB cracking on at Man U and that must be like rubbing salt in wounds.
It is hard for anyone who is not gifted to play pro ball what must be going on between his ears but itís not sounding good.
What he should be doing is keeping his head down, focusing on his game and what will happen will happen. If he performs well, consistently, without emotion, the top boys will be at the gates for him. If not, they wonít. Simples.
Look at AWB. Kept his head down, played like a star, never moaned on or off the field and was gone at top dollar.
Look at Wilf. Inconsistent, long faced, petulant, touchy, arguing with the captain recently and always the ref, and now apparently saying everything is wrong.
When you look at his contract and his earnings it makes no sense. More than a lot of Champions league players get. So itís not about money. Itís about decisions. Now he is rich, he is probably kicking himself he signed the contract. His decisions and indecisions are gnawing away at him. And worst of all, the truth is he has only got himself to blame.
He is at a crossroads. Itís a dilemma for him and he is not handling it well. Banging in a transfer request at the worst possible time. Now sacking his agent. Not looking good.
He needs to get on the pitch and show everyone just how good he really is. He needs to show he loves performing top level. Week in week out. Sadly that has never been Wilf.
I personally hope someone comes in for him at £50m in the next window and Parish letís him go for all our sakes. But today Iím not sure either of those will happen. Sad.

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 13 Sep 19 3.00pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by scuffy

He's also getting too old for a big move.

That really isn't the case. Hazard moved at 28, Mahrez at 27, for example. In fact, if Liverpool still look like pushing City in the league come the January window and Sane is no longer in Guardiola's plans I can see him moving to the Etihad.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Sep 19 3.19pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

That really isn't the case. Hazard moved at 28, Mahrez at 27, for example. In fact, if Liverpool still look like pushing City in the league come the January window and Sane is no longer in Guardiola's plans I can see him moving to the Etihad.

Hazard is one of the best players in his position in Europe.
Mahrez won the league and dictated play in his area of the pitch, scored loads of goals and assists.

Zaha has done next to nothing to outsiders, last season and this season, apart from a month last season. Thatís partly due to Roy though in fairness.

Zaha is like Palace in many ways with all the Ďpotentialí quotes and flashes of brilliance and amazement but quite a bit of meh in there as well.

Itíll be interesting how this plays out. I just want him playing for the team and striker on the pitch, not his own satisfaction or ego. A long way to go to January and May.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Sep 2019 4.23pm)

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Sep 19 3.50pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Brains in feet and always somebodyís elseís fault spring to mind.

His agent negotiated a very lucrative contract which Wilf didnít have to sign.

The club were reported to have received offers well below their valuation of the player - hardly the agents fault.

If Chelsea get their ban lifted then they may just meet that valuation by way of player exchange otherwise itís hard to see how this will end to all parties satisfaction

 


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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 13 Sep 19 4.31pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by ger20

Get rid off and move on, guys like Awey who put in a shift without the histrionics are the type of player we need, a good winger and striker should mitigate the loss of Wilf, the fee received for AWB should buy us a good RB and cover at LB. I thought the Everton offer of £55 million plus player in part exchange was a good deal. Wilf however is guaranteed to flop at a club like Everton in a City like Liverpool.

Genuine question: What is it about "a club like Everton" and "a city like Liverpool" that "guarantees" that Wilf would be a flop if he went there?

 

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View scuffy's Profile scuffy Flag orpington 13 Sep 19 5.40pm Send a Private Message to scuffy Add scuffy as a friend

If Chelsea want him and I'm not convinced. I thought Hudson-Odoi, prior to his injury, was starting to show more end product than Wilf and he's young enough for a club to mould into a more complete player than Wilf.

Originally posted by NEILLO

Brains in feet and always somebodyís elseís fault spring to mind.

His agent negotiated a very lucrative contract which Wilf didnít have to sign.

The club were reported to have received offers well below their valuation of the player - hardly the agents fault.

If Chelsea get their ban lifted then they may just meet that valuation by way of player exchange otherwise itís hard to see how this will end to all parties satisfaction

 

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