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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 12 Jul 18 2.37pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Before we all get carried away with what we think the club should do in the transfer market we should remember the regulations.

We can only pick from a set squad of 25 for the Premier League, 8 of which must be home grown (i.e. been a footballer in England or Wales for at least 3 years before they turn 21). On top of that we can pick as many under 21 players as we like (i.e. players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences).

Last year we started with:

Non-HGPs (max 17): Benteke, Cabaye, Delaney, Lee, McArthur, Milivojevic, Sakho, Sako, Souare, Speroni (10 total).

HGPs (min 8): Hennessey, Ladapo, Mutch, Puncheon, Schlupp, Tomkins, Townsend, Dann, Kelly, Van Aanholt, Ward, Wickham, Zaha (13 total).

U21s (CPFC had 46 named players, including): Boateng, Dreher, Fosu-Mensah, Kirby, Loftus Cheek, Lumeka, O'Dwyer, Riedwald, Wan-Bissaka, KaiKai

As far as I can tell, this years squad currently looks like:

Non-HGPs (max 17): Benteke, McArthur, Milivojevic, Sakho, Sako, Souare, Speroni, Guaita, Jach, Riedwald, Sorloth (11 total).

HGPs (min 8): Hennessey, Inniss, Puncheon, Schlupp, Tomkins, Townsend, Dann, Kelly, Van Aanholt, Ward, Wickham, Zaha, Williams, KaiKai (14 total).

U21s (includes): Boateng, Dreher, Kirby, Lumeka, O'Dwyer, Wan-Bissaka


We already have 25 players over the age of 21, so for each new player over 21 that we sign or borrow we have to exclude one of the current 25 from the squad (i.e. sell them, loan them out, or pay them just to train).

Sako, Kelly and Inniss have not yet signed new contracts, and could leave. Williams probably won’t be in the 25 during his last contract year with us. Kaikai isn’t u21 anymore, so CPFC either have to back him or cut him loose, and he may have to go if only so he doesn’t take up a space in the 25.

So we could have up to 5 spaces for new over-21s to come in.

However, if those 5 players leave we’ve only got 10 HGPs. That’s fine, but it would mean that selling Townsend and PVA (for instance) to raise funds becomes very complicated, as we are then down to the bare minimum of 8, and may be charged a premium for HGPs we might want to sign from other clubs, or end up keeping one we don’t really want (Puncheon perhaps) or even borrowing one we don’t need just to ensure we have 8 of them.

Our two main loanees last year, Fosu-Mensah and Loftus-Cheek, were u21s and so didn’t take up a space in the 25, whereas Sakho did the year before. Clearly there is a logic to borrowing youngsters if they are good enough to play. RLC is still an u21 I think (just), but that only makes him an even more valuable commodity to Chelsea, as they can play him this year without him taking up a place in their 25, and if he does well he will help them fill their 8 HGP quota next year, something they often struggle with. Suddenly him being loaned out again seems less likely.

All this before you even consider the money side of things and Financial Fair Play etc. Worth remembering all this when debating the clubs best approach.


Edited by TheBigToePunt (12 Jul 2018 2.42pm)

 

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Tipp_Eagle Flag Tipperary 12 Jul 18 4.51pm

Wow just wow, my brain hurts now, its all very complicated, i think we will be moving a few players on and not so many in . we do have a very good squad when all fit. but then again so do 18 other teams (left out shighton )

 


oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 12 Jul 18 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

As far as I can tell, this years squad currently looks like:

Non-HGPs (max 17): Benteke, McArthur, Milivojevic, Sakho, Sako, Souare, Speroni, Guaita, Jach, Riedwald, Sorloth (11 total).

HGPs (min : Hennessey, Inniss, Puncheon, Schlupp, Tomkins, Townsend, Dann, Kelly, Van Aanholt, Ward, Wickham, Zaha, Williams, KaiKai (14 total).

We already have 25 players over the age of 21, so for each new player over 21 that we sign or borrow we have to exclude one of the current 25 from the squad

Sako is out of contract and to all extents and purposes has left. Jach is in the team for tonight's friendly so has this chance to prove that he's worth a place otherwise he won't make the squad.

Inniss, Williams and KaiKai are probably also unlikely to be wanted in the squad and will either be sold or go out on loan so I have already freed up five spaces for you

 

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View StrangerThing's Profile StrangerThing Flag Brisbane 13 Jul 18 6.56am Send a Private Message to StrangerThing Add StrangerThing as a friend

Great post. Finally understand the interest in Antonio...right wing, right back and home grown. Asking price still ridiculous considering injuries. Good idea to wait it out until West Hams squad bloat becomes urgent.
Is there a whole team out there in the squad bloat of Leicester, West Ham, Villa etc?

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 13 Jul 18 10.00am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Good post, It all makes sense now!
Although, RLC Is 22 now - Bday in january, so he may not be eligible for the u21s... does that help us?!

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 13 Jul 18 12.54pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Good post, It all makes sense now!
Although, RLC Is 22 now - Bday in january, so he may not be eligible for the u21s... does that help us?!

As I understood it, he was 21 on the 1st of Jan 2018 so he is still an u21 for this season, though I may be wrong of course!

 

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View alcraig's Profile alcraig Flag Ashford 13 Jul 18 4.54pm Send a Private Message to alcraig Add alcraig as a friend

So explain how spammers r about tpendd 93 million total and Fulham spend 31 million and worry we cannot or should not. Your argument does not add up and is not viable. Until points are deducted or clubs demoted if persistent offenders teams like bournemouth and spammers will break rules and we dont too scared in case....

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jul 18 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Before we all get carried away with what we think the club should do in the transfer market we should remember the regulations.

We can only pick from a set squad of 25 for the Premier League, 8 of which must be home grown (i.e. been a footballer in England or Wales for at least 3 years before they turn 21). On top of that we can pick as many under 21 players as we like (i.e. players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences).

Last year we started with:

Non-HGPs (max 17): Benteke, Cabaye, Delaney, Lee, McArthur, Milivojevic, Sakho, Sako, Souare, Speroni (10 total).

HGPs (min : Hennessey, Ladapo, Mutch, Puncheon, Schlupp, Tomkins, Townsend, Dann, Kelly, Van Aanholt, Ward, Wickham, Zaha (13 total).

U21s (CPFC had 46 named players, including): Boateng, Dreher, Fosu-Mensah, Kirby, Loftus Cheek, Lumeka, O'Dwyer, Riedwald, Wan-Bissaka, KaiKai

As far as I can tell, this years squad currently looks like:

Non-HGPs (max 17): Benteke, McArthur, Milivojevic, Sakho, Sako, Souare, Speroni, Guaita, Jach, Riedwald, Sorloth (11 total).

HGPs (min : Hennessey, Inniss, Puncheon, Schlupp, Tomkins, Townsend, Dann, Kelly, Van Aanholt, Ward, Wickham, Zaha, Williams, KaiKai (14 total).

U21s (includes): Boateng, Dreher, Kirby, Lumeka, O'Dwyer, Wan-Bissaka


We already have 25 players over the age of 21, so for each new player over 21 that we sign or borrow we have to exclude one of the current 25 from the squad (i.e. sell them, loan them out, or pay them just to train).

Sako, Kelly and Inniss have not yet signed new contracts, and could leave. Williams probably won’t be in the 25 during his last contract year with us. Kaikai isn’t u21 anymore, so CPFC either have to back him or cut him loose, and he may have to go if only so he doesn’t take up a space in the 25.

So we could have up to 5 spaces for new over-21s to come in.

However, if those 5 players leave we’ve only got 10 HGPs. That’s fine, but it would mean that selling Townsend and PVA (for instance) to raise funds becomes very complicated, as we are then down to the bare minimum of 8, and may be charged a premium for HGPs we might want to sign from other clubs, or end up keeping one we don’t really want (Puncheon perhaps) or even borrowing one we don’t need just to ensure we have 8 of them.

Our two main loanees last year, Fosu-Mensah and Loftus-Cheek, were u21s and so didn’t take up a space in the 25, whereas Sakho did the year before. Clearly there is a logic to borrowing youngsters if they are good enough to play. RLC is still an u21 I think (just), but that only makes him an even more valuable commodity to Chelsea, as they can play him this year without him taking up a place in their 25, and if he does well he will help them fill their 8 HGP quota next year, something they often struggle with. Suddenly him being loaned out again seems less likely.

All this before you even consider the money side of things and Financial Fair Play etc. Worth remembering all this when debating the clubs best approach.


Edited by TheBigToePunt (12 Jul 2018 2.42pm)

Great post. Informative and thought provoking. Thanks TBTP

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 13 Jul 18 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by alcraig

So explain how spammers r about spendd 93 million total and Fulham spend 31 million and worry we cannot or should not....

West Ham sold Upton Park for £40m so no doubt that helps

 

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View thegreatlardino's Profile thegreatlardino Flag crawley/selsey 13 Jul 18 6.20pm Send a Private Message to thegreatlardino Add thegreatlardino as a friend

and they rent the new stadium for a fiver a week

 


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And they drive an ice cream van

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View EagleinSF's Profile EagleinSF Flag San Fransisco 13 Jul 18 6.52pm Send a Private Message to EagleinSF Add EagleinSF as a friend

Originally posted by alcraig

and we dont too scared in case....

... we go bankrupt again. Too many fans just want to piss away millions in the hope of buying a top 10 finish.

We are a small fish in a big pond and can't keep up with some of the richer clubs - WHU and Everton included.

That's worked well for Leeds, Blackburn, QPR and a host of others.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 13 Jul 18 8.50pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by alcraig

So explain how spammers r about tpendd 93 million total and Fulham spend 31 million and worry we cannot or should not. Your argument does not add up and is not viable. Until points are deducted or clubs demoted if persistent offenders teams like bournemouth and spammers will break rules and we dont too scared in case....

You seem to be asking about the finance side of things? That's a whole other discussion. My point was that even if you forget about the money, there are so many other things we need to be aware of when forming a view on what the club should or shouldn't do.

 

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