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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 8.49am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This post was inaccurate. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 12.56am) “Fake news fake news!” "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 8.49am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This post was inaccurate.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 12.56am)

“Fake news fake news!”

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 8.50am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There's no shame here, that's a silly concept the left have taken from the religious. If you only intended your response to apply to the racism question and not spill over into the free speech one then yep.....I take back the disingenuous comment. You really are a menatalist. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 8.50am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There's no shame here, that's a silly concept the left have taken from the religious.

If you only intended your response to apply to the racism question and not spill over into the free speech one then yep.....I take back the disingenuous comment.

You really are a menatalist.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 8.59am
Originally posted by laddo The fact this is even a thread is a fcuked up. Who gives a shte if there are black, brown, pink, blue faces on the march. Trump is a ct who uses this language of division to get votes. But, let's be frank here, softy bullsht liberals gave birth to Trump as their political correctness bollox meant people protested in the ballot box, fearing legitimate debate would be yelled down as racist. We did the same with brexit. One of the best posts on this thread. The rise in open racism and separatist views is frankly terrifying and crazy in equal measures. As is all this far right and far left bollocks. Can’t we just go back to how things were 5 or so years ago before all this s***e started to surface!? "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jul 18 8.59am

Originally posted by laddo

The fact this is even a thread is a fcuked up. Who gives a sh*te if there are black, brown, pink, blue faces on the march. Trump is a c**t who uses this language of division to get votes. But, let's be frank here, softy bullsh*t liberals gave birth to Trump as their political correctness bollox meant people protested in the ballot box, fearing legitimate debate would be yelled down as racist. We did the same with brexit.

One of the best posts on this thread. The rise in open racism and separatist views is frankly terrifying and crazy in equal measures. As is all this far right and far left bollocks. Can’t we just go back to how things were 5 or so years ago before all this s***e started to surface!?

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Jul 18 10.28am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Just an observation again to those who keep saying there are lots of different ethnicities protesting. Their really isn't!! 'Dump Trump': Views from the London marches - [Link] You mean because the one on one photos are majority white? Blow up the big one and it looks diverse. Not that it is in the slightest bit relevant. It’s an odd point to have focused on from the off and says more about your mindset than anything else.
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Croydon 15 Jul 18 10.28am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Just an observation again to those who keep saying there are lots of different ethnicities protesting. Their really isn't!!

'Dump Trump': Views from the London marches - [Link]

You mean because the one on one photos are majority white? Blow up the big one and it looks diverse. Not that it is in the slightest bit relevant. It’s an odd point to have focused on from the off and says more about your mindset than anything else.

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 18 12.24pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General “Fake news fake news!” I wasn't referring to race. My point was focused upon your free speech before social media claim. On which you were inaccurate. Still, your allusion to Trump is worth a chuckle I suppose. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 12.26pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 18 12.24pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

“Fake news fake news!”

I wasn't referring to race. My point was focused upon your free speech before social media claim. On which you were inaccurate.

Still, your allusion to Trump is worth a chuckle I suppose.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 12.26pm)

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 18 12.31pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You mean because the one on one photos are majority white? Blow up the big one and it looks diverse. Not that it is in the slightest bit relevant. It’s an odd point to have focused on from the off and says more about your mindset than anything else. Odd? It's stating the blindingly obvious fact that far left activists are white.....as the Chinese famously note. London is what, around about 45 to 40 white now. Yet it's about 80 percent white on these marches I'd say. The majorities in non white communities only vote left because they perceive it's in their best interests....and for some of them it is. Many of them are majority socially conservative. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 1.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 18 12.31pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Odd?

It's stating the blindingly obvious fact that far left activists are white.....as the Chinese famously note.

London is what, around about 45 to 40 white now. Yet it's about 80 percent white on these marches I'd say.

The majorities in non white communities only vote left because they perceive it's in their best interests....and for some of them it is. Many of them are majority socially conservative.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 1.38pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 18 2.04pm
I don't know why people seem to think there is or ever was freedom of speech in the UK. There was never free speech. Things considered 'lewd', 'pornographic', likely to 'cause offence' or publications that breech the Official Secrets Act, as determined by the authorities of the day, have always been subject to censorship and could lead to prosecution. Spycatcher and Lady Chatterley's Lover spring to mind. Freedom of Speech is a US thing that often gets abused by people such as the West Coast Baptist Church. It is in their Constitution. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 18 2.04pm

I don't know why people seem to think there is or ever was freedom of speech in the UK. There was never free speech. Things considered 'lewd', 'pornographic', likely to 'cause offence' or publications that breech the Official Secrets Act, as determined by the authorities of the day, have always been subject to censorship and could lead to prosecution. Spycatcher and Lady Chatterley's Lover spring to mind.
Freedom of Speech is a US thing that often gets abused by people such as the West Coast Baptist Church. It is in their Constitution.

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 18 2.30pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I don't know why people seem to think there is or ever was freedom of speech in the UK. There was never free speech. Things considered 'lewd', 'pornographic', likely to 'cause offence' or publications that breech the Official Secrets Act, as determined by the authorities of the day, have always been subject to censorship and could lead to prosecution. Spycatcher and Lady Chatterley's Lover spring to mind. Freedom of Speech is a US thing that often gets abused by people such as the West Coast Baptist Church. It is in their Constitution. 'Free speech' isn't literal. However, it was set as low as possible. Incitement to violence Provable slander Obscenity Blair changed this and the 'hate speech' nonsense started. A law that contradicts in many ways existing freedom laws and becomes entirely about 'random perception' The modern day conservatives have betrayed their traditions in continuing this complete mess. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 18 2.30pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

'Free speech' isn't literal.

However, it was set as low as possible.

Incitement to violence
Provable slander
Obscenity

Blair changed this and the 'hate speech' nonsense started. A law that contradicts in many ways existing freedom laws and becomes entirely about 'random perception' The modern day conservatives have betrayed their traditions in continuing this complete mess.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 18 2.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'Free speech' isn't literal. However, it was set as low as possible. Incitement to violence Provable slander Obscenity Blair changed this and the 'hate speech' nonsense started. A law that contradicts in many ways existing freedom laws and becomes entirely about 'random perception' The modern day conservatives have betrayed their traditions in continuing this complete mess. I suppose this is understandable though. Do you really want radical people of any persuasion marching down the street with whatever banners and slogans they deem fit? Every day there would be a march, rally and riot - whether the banners or slogans were offensive or not. Everyone so ready to be offended today. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 18 2.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Free speech' isn't literal.

However, it was set as low as possible.

Incitement to violence
Provable slander
Obscenity

I suppose this is understandable though. Do you really want radical people of any persuasion marching down the street with whatever banners and slogans they deem fit? Every day there would be a march, rally and riot - whether the banners or slogans were offensive or not. Everyone so ready to be offended today.

Red and Blue Army!

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dannyboy1978 15 Jul 18 3.35pm
Originally posted by laddo The fact this is even a thread is a fcuked up. Who gives a shte if there are black, brown, pink, blue faces on the march. Trump is a ct who uses this language of division to get votes. But, let's be frank here, softy bullsht liberals gave birth to Trump as their political correctness bollox meant people protested in the ballot box, fearing legitimate debate would be yelled down as racist. We did the same with brexit. So what's your thought on selective recruitment for the met, does it not matter if they are pink yellow brown or white? Somehow I think I know the answer!!
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15 Jul 18 3.35pm

Originally posted by laddo

So what's your thought on selective recruitment for the met, does it not matter if they are pink yellow brown or white?
Somehow I think I know the answer!!

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 18 3.36pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I suppose this is understandable though. Do you really want radical people of any persuasion marching down the street with whatever banners and slogans they deem fit? Every day there would be a march, rally and riot - whether the banners or slogans were offensive or not. Everyone so ready to be offended today. The people in charge today aren't 'radical' then? The feminists and restricters of rights were allowed to take power.....and like all authoritarians they look to cement their ideas and do away with the 'marketplace of ideas' that allowed for their own rise. The Americans have a written constitution that stops this from happening. We have been made to look stupid by our own colonists. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 3.56pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 18 3.36pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The people in charge today aren't 'radical' then?

The feminists and restricters of rights were allowed to take power.....and like all authoritarians they look to cement their ideas and do away with the 'marketplace of ideas' that allowed for their own rise.

The Americans have a written constitution that stops this from happening.

We have been made to look stupid by our own colonists.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2018 3.56pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 18 4.01pm
As I said, I wouldn't really want the US version of free speech where radical right wing or left wing, or single issue protesters can provoke people they perceive as incorrect in some way with impunity. In the UK that would mean radicals, including Islamists, anti-islam protestors, fascists, communists or whoever could march with whatever banners they see fit. As you can imagine, trouble would inevitably ensue. I'm fairly sure I understand what you mean when you suggest the people in charge are radical. I would see governments as popularist rather than radical. May's government certainly not radical enough for some people sometimes: ie Brexit, yet too radical for some at other times: ie Brexit, although this would not be the only divisive issue, of course. Red and Blue Army!
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As I said, I wouldn't really want the US version of free speech where radical right wing or left wing, or single issue protesters can provoke people they perceive as incorrect in some way with impunity.
In the UK that would mean radicals, including Islamists, anti-islam protestors, fascists, communists or whoever could march with whatever banners they see fit. As you can imagine, trouble would inevitably ensue.
I'm fairly sure I understand what you mean when you suggest the people in charge are radical. I would see governments as popularist rather than radical. May's government certainly not radical enough for some people sometimes: ie Brexit, yet too radical for some at other times: ie Brexit, although this would not be the only divisive issue, of course.

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