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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Feb 20 2.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It's pretty apparent from what's coming out of Downing street that the BBC's license model is done.

Just a question of when not if.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Feb 20 7.40am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Is this a joke?
BBC News - Diane Abbott to stand down from shadow cabinet under new Labour leadership
[Link]

I for one am saddened at the news a truly great entrainer who over the years has provided much laughter and amusement, Agent Abbott you will be missed.

The good news is that Labour have a younger version in Dawn Butler so lets hope she can provide years of merriment to come.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Feb 20 7.43am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's pretty apparent from what's coming out of Downing street that the BBC's license model is done.

Just a question of when not if.

Just a coincidence of course is these stories about Priti Patel rowing with the Civil Service and MI5.

As I have mentioned before if the BBC had any sense they can salvage this situation but like the Remainers they are going for broke and I suspect they will fail.

Cut the licence fee in half drop the non essential services beef up the education remit and I think most people would say leave the BBC alone. None of that will happen until the bailiffs move in.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 20 9.38am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

It's really quite instructive that it's necessary to go into forensic detail to point out to some people what must be quite obvious to most. So here is where COULD came from. The article in the BBC (and many other outlets who took the clearly syndicated report on the autistic boy who suffered from toothache) contained this statement from the Judge:-

"The judge suggested that the head banging could have caused a severe injury and led to the boy's death." (the highlighting of could is mine).

ME then wrote:-

"You have to read right to the end of the article before finding out that the boy had died which is absolutely shocking jounalism" (again the highlighting is mine).

Get it now?

The boy didn't die! The Judge was merely pointing out that he might have done. ME attacked the BBC on a false claim.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 20 9.52am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Just a coincidence of course is these stories about Priti Patel rowing with the Civil Service and MI5.

As I have mentioned before if the BBC had any sense they can salvage this situation but like the Remainers they are going for broke and I suspect they will fail.

Cut the licence fee in half drop the non essential services beef up the education remit and I think most people would say leave the BBC alone. None of that will happen until the bailiffs move in.

It looks to me as though Cummings is pushing this hard. We will have to wait a while yet to see how it ends up.

So long as the BBC retain their core values and are funded in a way which guarantees their independence I don't have a big problem with them downsizing and withdrawing from peripheral activities.

De-criminalising none payment of the licence fee may well happen and we will have to see what impact that has on their revenue before judging too much.

We live in fast moving times, not least on how we get our "news" as well as entertainment. What we need to be mindful of is to make sure we don't chuck the BBC baby out with the bathwater.

For me this will be a big test of the new intake of Tory MPs. Will they stand up for the BBC's values and protect them from attack by the likes of Cummings? Or will they just be lobby sheep?

 


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In regards to the article, lets look at that sentence again pointing out the obvious problem.

'the head banging could have caused a severe injury and led to the boy's death.'

This can be read two ways and that is poor journalism but in true myopic WE style you only focus upon your interpretation and don't address any other.

You will notice...if you could be bothered, that I had also written, 'if this boy had died'.

ME originally attacked this piece for giving the impression that this boy had died and I agree with him it deserves criticism as I also had that impression.

What we can do is rescind any other form of criticism.

The offending sentence should have been clearly written, for example:

'the head banging could have caused a severe injury which then could have risked the boy's life'.

There are any number of ways of writing this better with more precision. These are meant to be high level journalists and the writing of English is their job.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2020 5.50pm)

 


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They will be as objective and impartial as the BBC have been.....So basically the BBC are fecked.

I'm looking forward to the dramatic reduction in socially liberal propaganda being beamed into the nation's homes.

There needs to be a true marketplace of ideas and a level
playing field for them.

Gate keepers no more.

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The boy didn't die! The Judge was merely pointing out that he might have done. ME attacked the BBC on a false claim.

I suppose that I'd have to give myself a yellow card if I called you a stupid oaf so I won't

I did not attack the BBC on the basis of a false claim but the shoddy journalism in the whole article as the whole thing was poorly written as a few others have agreed and I guess that if I had posted under a different name you wouldn't even have bothered anyway

It's no excuse if it was based on a press release as the editorial staff have a duty to present press releases sensibly

 

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A few of my own observations:

The BBC impartiality failed during the Falklands in the early 1980's. Brian Hanrahan's "I counted them all out, I counted them all back" (regarding harriers on the Ark Royal), was jingoism and reporting seemed to massively swerve the peril our armed forces were in, and the closeness of the outcome.

The BBC started self-financing in the late 1980's, with 'product placement' most notably in Eastenders.

The BBC pay structure has recently been exposed as massively excessive (in some prominent cases), and discriminatory in many others.

BBC radio is shambolic. (just my opinion)

The BBC needs to be held to account in a proper fashion, if they can no longer maintain self-independence

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (24 Feb 2020 7.22pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 20 7.34pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I suppose that I'd have to give myself a yellow card if I called you a stupid oaf so I won't

I did not attack the BBC on the basis of a false claim but the shoddy journalism in the whole article as the whole thing was poorly written as a few others have agreed and I guess that if I had posted under a different name you wouldn't even have bothered anyway

It's no excuse if it was based on a press release as the editorial staff have a duty to present press releases sensibly

As you would love an excuse to give me a yellow card I will try to be polite. I have no idea if you are an oaf but what you are claiming is untrue. This is what you wrote:-

"You have to read right to the end of the article before finding out that the boy had died which is absolutely shocking jounalism".

There is just no way of seeking to pretend that your reason for claiming this was "shocking jounalism" was anything other than that "the boy had died".

You didn't criticise the piece for "giving the impression that this boy had died" as your fan boy has suggested. Nor did you criticise it because "the shoddy journalism in the whole article as the whole thing was poorly written" as you have yourself claimed.

You did it because you thought that as the boy had died that "fact" ought to have appeared earlier. A fact that wasn't actually a fact.

Whether, or not, the piece was "shocking journalism" was totally beside the point. We all make errors and misunderstanding what the phrase "could have caused a severe injury and led to the boy's death" meant was one and is nothing to be ashamed about. Others did too.

What is inexcusable is the pin dancing trying to pretend that what you wrote meant something else. It didn't.


 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly


The BBC impartiality failed during the Falklands in the early 1980's. Brian Hanrahan's "I counted them all out, I counted them all back" (regarding harriers on the Ark Royal), was jingoism and reporting seemed to massively swerve the peril our armed forces were in, and the closeness of the outcome.


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (24 Feb 2020 7.22pm)

I disagree with this.

The impartiality aspect is meant to be about politics I think when you actually take it to the extent of military conflicts that the British are involved in you take it too far.

The BBC is funded by the British, not the UN.....It's the British Broadcasting Corporation.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Feb 20 7.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

We have a post where WE complains about someone pin dancing.

I think I've just about read it all now.

He seems to be blaming ME and others, me included for taking one of two interpretations from a poorly written sentence.

Nothing ME wrote was 'inexcusable', that's utter nonsense.
This article is worthy of criticism and for some reason this poster doesn't seem to want to move on.

 


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