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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 02 Mar 20 9.34pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's not the arrest of the criminals that is doing any stigmatisation. It's the use of "Muslim" or "Islamic" in the way the way the grooming gangs" are described in the media, both written, broadcast and online.

So you think that people don't want to know that these child rapists are muslim?
Why not?
As a community with community leaders, how do you describe these communities. They are a diffrent hence the lovies favourit word "multi culture"
We call them muslim because that's a defining characteristic of their community.
But yes I would be interested to know how you define this minority group who have lots of child rapists.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 9.07am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Firstly, they usually are described as Christian hate groups (Google news search for the last 24 hours brings up 50 results) and secondly I don’t think innocent people care. The same as a conservative voter doesn’t get too bothered about someone else being described as a Right Wing thug. There may be some resentment but no one is talking of radicalisation over the issue.

Google searches aren't the same as the labels that are actually attached in media reports.

Some innocent people might not care and be able to rationalise the issue. Some though do. So why take the risk unless there is some kind of benefit to be gained? So far I have heard no argument from anyone that there is!

There are people actively trying to portray the Muslim community as under attack by western society in an effort to radicalise the impressionable. Reacting as we have done is to encourage and support their efforts. It's totally counter productive to the result we should be aiming for.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 9.10am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Nah I wouldn't care because I would trust the public not to tar all of us with the same brush.
You however do not seem to credit the general public with this capacity.
It's a shame someone of your intellect is so literal and condescending.
Must be all that scrumpy you drink with jane.

I am not tarring anyone with the same brush!

I am suggesting that as using these terms has no discernable benefit but has the potential to assist in the radicalisation of some that it would be wiser to stop using them.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 9.16am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So you think that people don't want to know that these child rapists are muslim?
Why not?

Oh some WANT to know that but that's not the point at all. It's the possible implications within the Muslim communities that I am addressing and not how a Sun or Mail reader feels.

As a community with community leaders, how do you describe these communities. They are a diffrent hence the lovies favourit word "multi culture"
We call them muslim because that's a defining characteristic of their community.

Untrue. They are hiding behind that identity and not defining it.

But yes I would be interested to know how you define this minority group who have lots of child rapists.

Criminals.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Mar 20 9.23am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Google searches aren't the same as the labels that are actually attached in media reports.

Some innocent people might not care and be able to rationalise the issue. Some though do. So why take the risk unless there is some kind of benefit to be gained? So far I have heard no argument from anyone that there is!

There are people actively trying to portray the Muslim community as under attack by western society in an effort to radicalise the impressionable. Reacting as we have done is to encourage and support their efforts. It's totally counter productive to the result we should be aiming for.

The Google results are all based on media reports. Why should media reporting be compromised by threats? The gangs in question do come from the same demographic- previous attempts to label them “Asian” was complained about by all other Aisian communities as they had nothing to do with it and indeed on several occasions their own children were victims. Any group who can be radicalised by such reporting are probably beyond reasoning anyway.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 20 10.08am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The Google results are all based on media reports. Why should media reporting be compromised by threats? The gangs in question do come from the same demographic- previous attempts to label them “Asian” was complained about by all other Aisian communities as they had nothing to do with it and indeed on several occasions their own children were victims. Any group who can be radicalised by such reporting are probably beyond reasoning anyway.

Google search terms are not the same as the headlines in use.

I can well understand why other asian communities would object. So what have we done? Substituted one unhelpful and emotional epithet with another!

Probably being beyond reasoning may well apply to some, but not to all. A start has to be made and however small that might be, unless there is a good reason why we ought not to do it, we should.

What I see is the gutter press using terms to wind people up without thinking through the consequences. Serious issues demand serious approaches. If using emotive terminology produces better answers then no-one will argue but I just don't think it does. It has the potential to make things worse.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 03 Mar 20 10.43am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What I see is the gutter press using terms to wind people up

Perhaps a visit to Specsavers is in order as you seem to see a lot of things that most other people don't

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Mar 20 11.17am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Indoctrination being dangerous is unarguable. As is that those that justify their criminal activities because of a particular interpretation of a religious belief need to have that interpretation challenged and unequivocally denied. Preferably by the religion involved!

None of which justifies lumping all those who share the same religion into the same basket.

I keep hearing this but it is not about that at all.
It is about recognising the route cause of the problem and dealing with it for the benefit of the majority.

Suggesting that people are using their religion as an excuse for crime fails to understand indoctrination. This is about adhering to a set of cultural and religious ideas that supersede the local law and accepted morality for personal indulgence.
It's no good just defending Islam or Muslims as a whole if it allows a significant minority to do harm.

This is not serving the majority, it is favouring the needs of the few because of some idealistic notion about equality. The needs of potential victims should be prioritised over ideology.

It is because people maintained your stance that this situation was allowed to go unchallenged for so long and on so many occasions.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 03 Mar 20 11.48am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Is it not possible though that Islam, both through its proclamations about women being required to act 'modestly' along with its emphasis on creating the notion of the 'other' through its notions of Kuffir does act as a way of these men's behaviour being justified?

That essentially these girls, through lifestyle choices, essentially asked for it? And that since they are non-Muslims, easier to write off as being lesser than?

This idea of organised grooming gangs are not predominately Muslim just by off chance are they? Or is it just one of those odd coincidences that we should just brush off and ignore?

Now I believe that these grooming scandals were allowed to continue unchecked for decades because essentially Labour run councils, along with a leadership cadre of both the Police and Social services were willing to trade both electoral advantage and career advancement for this to continue unchallenged and in many cases, actively colluded with the miscreants.

But Islam provided the wider framework around the group mentality to arise that justified it in the first place. These girls were considered lesser than by all parties involved. A terrible collusion of both left-wing identity dogma allied with a religion that does see non-believers and especially women who do not confirm to its moral standards as fair game.


Edited by Matov (03 Mar 2020 11.49am)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not tarring anyone with the same brush!

I am suggesting that as using these terms has no discernable benefit but has the potential to assist in the radicalisation of some that it would be wiser to stop using them.

Read again.
Not you, us the public.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Mar 20 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Is it not possible though that Islam, both through its proclamations about women being required to act 'modestly' along with its emphasis on creating the notion of the 'other' through its notions of Kuffir does act as a way of these men's behaviour being justified?

That essentially these girls, through lifestyle choices, essentially asked for it? And that since they are non-Muslims, easier to write off as being lesser than?

This idea of organised grooming gangs are not predominately Muslim just by off chance are they? Or is it just one of those odd coincidences that we should just brush off and ignore?

Now I believe that these grooming scandals were allowed to continue unchecked for decades because essentially Labour run councils, along with a leadership cadre of both the Police and Social services were willing to trade both electoral advantage and career advancement for this to continue unchallenged and in many cases, actively colluded with the miscreants.

But Islam provided the wider framework around the group mentality to arise that justified it in the first place. These girls were considered lesser than by all parties involved. A terrible collusion of both left-wing identity dogma allied with a religion that does see non-believers and especially women who do not confirm to its moral standards as fair game.


Edited by Matov (03 Mar 2020 11.49am)

Exactly.

This is about the delusion of moral and religious superiority justifying acts against young Western women seen as lower forms of life by men whose culture restricts promiscuity with their own kind.
Racism, misogyny and religious dogma all in play.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 03 Mar 20 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Norway Progress Party's Christian Tybring-Gjedde calls for a 'complete halt to non-Western immigration.'

'Liberalism is a dead ideology. Let's put the utopian ideology in the drawer and try to make everyday life better for most people. We need a new policy.'

When it comes to naturalization, I totally agree.....It should be as difficult as possible.

Otherwise Europe as European is lost.

 


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