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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 03 Mar 20 4.39pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

You didn't answer my question, I asked how you define these people who are child rapists. What community do they belong to?

 

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View cpfc_chap's Profile cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 03 Mar 20 6.28pm Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

You didn't answer my question, I asked how you define these people who are child rapists. What community do they belong to?

He did, he put them in the criminal community!

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I keep hearing this but it is not about that at all.
It is about recognising the route cause of the problem and dealing with it for the benefit of the majority.

People have wanted to confront Islam for centuries but it's still flourishing. To suggest it is the "root cause" of the problem is to offer a very simplistic analysis which leads us no-where. It's the interpretation of some parts of the Islamic faith by some Muslims which appear to be the problem. Not all and not everywhere. Look, for instance, at Islam in Malaysia.

Suggesting that people are using their religion as an excuse for crime fails to understand indoctrination. This is about adhering to a set of cultural and religious ideas that supersede the local law and accepted morality for personal indulgence.
It's no good just defending Islam or Muslims as a whole if it allows a significant minority to do harm.

The only thing I am defending is common sense and using it to the benefit of the majority, but especially to the victims of these despicable criminals. Trying to understand indoctrination is vital as is working alongside the vast majority within our Muslim communities who want to stamp it out as much as everyone else. Anyone who fails to adhere to our laws and morality, for whatever reasons, deserve to be apprehended and punished until they comply. No compromises.

This is not serving the majority, it is favouring the needs of the few because of some idealistic notion about equality. The needs of potential victims should be prioritised over ideology.

It has nothing at all to do with equality or ideology. It only has to do with what will actually deliver the right answers fast enough.

It is because people maintained your stance that this situation was allowed to go unchallenged for so long and on so many occasions.

That's simply untrue. My "stance" has never been tried! Ever since these problems emerged these criminals have been described as "Islamic" or "Muslim" thereby stigmatising many other perfectly decent people and potentially dividing them from us, even to the point of ostracisation.

As I see no upside at all to using this language why continue to do so?

 

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Originally posted by Matov

Is it not possible though that Islam, both through its proclamations about women being required to act 'modestly' along with its emphasis on creating the notion of the 'other' through its notions of Kuffir does act as a way of these men's behaviour being justified?

I have never studied Islam but others seem to think that what you say is one of the interpretations that some followers of the religion are encouraged to believe. The key word though is "some". We need to show everyone that in our country our laws and standards apply to all and those who accept them, whatever their personal faith, will be able to lead full and happy lives. Those that don't, for whatever reason but including interpretations of faith, must face the law until they do.

That essentially these girls, through lifestyle choices, essentially asked for it? And that since they are non-Muslims, easier to write off as being lesser than?

Anyone, for whatever reasons, who decide such things need to be detected and punished. Religious belief needs to be disregarded and won't appear on any charge sheet. Excuses are not justifications.

This idea of organised grooming gangs are not predominately Muslim just by off chance are they? Or is it just one of those odd coincidences that we should just brush off and ignore?

That this seems likely to be true is not the point. It may well be how the authorities get to grips with the underlying issues to devise their strategies to eradicate the crimes but to assist them to do so we need to get the Islamic communities on our side and fighting this battle with us. Stigmatising them all is not the way to do that.

Now I believe that these grooming scandals were allowed to continue unchecked for decades because essentially Labour run councils, along with a leadership cadre of both the Police and Social services were willing to trade both electoral advantage and career advancement for this to continue unchallenged and in many cases, actively colluded with the miscreants.

I have no comment to make on that because I don't have any detailed knowledge of it's truth. It has though nothing to do with the issue I have raised.

But Islam provided the wider framework around the group mentality to arise that justified it in the first place. These girls were considered lesser than by all parties involved. A terrible collusion of both left-wing identity dogma allied with a religion that does see non-believers and especially women who do not confirm to its moral standards as fair game.

That's an assertion that cannot be true. It might well be found that certain clerics have been preaching in ways that have led some to believe such things and if so we need to find them, hold them responsible and punish them. It cannot though be true of the whole of Islam.


Edited by Matov (03 Mar 2020 11.49am)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 Mar 20 8.04pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

You assume everyone will think these grooming gangs are an example of all muslims or islam followers.
You need to give credit to the human race; or do you really beleive your own perception of anyone who doesnt agree with your views to be a right wing KKK racist bigot.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Exactly.

This is about the delusion of moral and religious superiority justifying acts against young Western women seen as lower forms of life by men whose culture restricts promiscuity with their own kind.
Racism, misogyny and religious dogma all in play.

Which has nothing at all to do with the point I have raised.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 Mar 20 8.54pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which has nothing at all to do with the point I have raised.

But are the reasons you give not to mention their race ,colour or religious preference

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 03 Mar 20 9.15pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

He did, he put them in the criminal community!

The definition of community
"a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage."

So what is this common culture of these child rapists.? Or are the lefties still going to ignor the bleeding obvious


 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

The definition of community
"a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage."

So what is this common culture of these child rapists.? Or are the lefties still going to ignor the bleeding obvious


It has sweet fa to do anything "left" or indeed "right"!

The "common culture" of these child rapists seems to be that they are groups of evil men using a perverted interpretation of a religious belief to justify to themselves actions which are totally against the law. The law needs to assert itself as it does against all criminals.

 

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.TUX. Flag 03 Mar 20 10.54pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It has sweet fa to do anything "left" or indeed "right"!

The "common culture" of these child rapists seems to be that they are groups of evil men using a perverted interpretation of a religious belief to justify to themselves actions which are totally against the law. The law needs to assert itself as it does against all criminals.

James O'Brien is in the house.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 03 Mar 20 11.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It has sweet fa to do anything "left" or indeed "right"!

The "common culture" of these child rapists seems to be that they are groups of evil men using a perverted interpretation of a religious belief to justify to themselves actions which are totally against the law. The law needs to assert itself as it does against all criminals.

The common culture is that they are Muslim and either from pakistan or are of pakistan origin.

Just like all the other gangs of mass child rapists.

 


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This subject might get a more sympathetic hearing were it not for the inherent threat. Why is increased radicalisation, with all its implications, the expected response?

 

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