The Fermi Paradox
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 Ouzo Dan 24 Jul 18 9.49am |
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I would bet on us finding life on enceladus & or europa after that our universe is going to get a whole lot bigger. I would also bet on us finding microbial life deep in a cave on Mars. Edited by Ouzo Dan (24 Jul 2018 9.54am)
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Beanyboysmd  24 Jul 18 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
He describes himself as a sceptic until he started to uncover the evidence whilst in post. He also has had testimony from at least one extremely high Government post holder that they were taken to Area 51 and shown around a craft so that he'd know what to expect if he were to come across something similar whilst in office. Clearly the individual was sworn to secrecy and essentially forced to sign the OSA, and only released this information a few hours before his death. Now; I know it sounds fanciful and all the above could easily be hearsay, but as Hrolf and Vaibow suggest...the odds of NOTHING being out there far outweigh the odds of there being something out there. For me; I remain open to the idea of us not being alone, as no one has yet proved to me the contrary. Oh I definatly dont think we are alone but I dont think we have ever been visited by aliens either. The universe is mind bendingly massive and presuming life is relativly spread out we have no way of detecting each other. If a new space species formed everyday, literally one every 24 hours, it would still be millennia until you are statistically likely to discover each other. Scientists have said that even as near as Neptune, it would be incredibly difficult to prove that life exists on earth and I think thats 0.02 light years away, the nearest star is 4 and a bit light years away. But to be fair life could be anywhere, we can probably rule out a space faring species in our own solar system but that is as much as we know so far. If we can find even basic life anywhere, it makes finding advanced life very statisticly likely...
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 25 Jul 18 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Oh I definatly dont think we are alone but I dont think we have ever been visited by aliens either. The universe is mind bendingly massive and presuming life is relativly spread out we have no way of detecting each other. If a new space species formed everyday, literally one every 24 hours, it would still be millennia until you are statistically likely to discover each other. Scientists have said that even as near as Neptune, it would be incredibly difficult to prove that life exists on earth and I think thats 0.02 light years away, the nearest star is 4 and a bit light years away. But to be fair life could be anywhere, we can probably rule out a space faring species in our own solar system but that is as much as we know so far. If we can find even basic life anywhere, it makes finding advanced life very statisticly likely... In a Kurt Vonnegut novel 'The Sirens of Titan' there's a 600 million year old robot called Salo who was made by a super intelligent God like species who work out there is another comparable super species on the other side of the universe so they make this robot (Salo) and send him in a spacecraft across the universe to meet this other species. Salo crashes on one of Saturn's moons (Titan) and is asked by the main character in the book what the message was. Salo doesn't know and is sworn to secrecy but seeing as he's stuck he eventually agrees to translate the aluminium micro-dot which contains the message ... and the message is ... wait for it, wait for it ... "Greetings!". When the robot discovers this he defies all his programming by committing suicide by tearing himself apart. Good book.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jul 18 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
In a Kurt Vonnegut novel 'The Sirens of Titan' there's a 600 million year old robot called Salo who was made by a super intelligent God like species who work out there is another comparable super species on the other side of the universe so they make this robot (Salo) and send him in a spacecraft across the universe to meet this other species. Salo crashes on one of Saturn's moons (Titan) and is asked by the main character in the book what the message was. Salo doesn't know and is sworn to secrecy but seeing as he's stuck he eventually agrees to translate the aluminium micro-dot which contains the message ... and the message is ... wait for it, wait for it ... "Greetings!". When the robot discovers this he defies all his programming by committing suicide by tearing himself apart. Good book. Well we won't be reading it now, will we.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 25 Jul 18 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well we won't be reading it now, will we. that's not the end of the book, and I forgot to say that the purpose of the robot's mission was to deliver this message, it was only a paragraph or two as a mini side tale, the hero had a space dog called Kazak as a pet, he was a dog three months of the year and an electromagnetic wave for the rest according to solar and planetary allignment, silly but I enjoyed it once, it was ahead of its time but it may be getting dated
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| Vaibow vancouver/croydon 25 Jul 18 11.47pm |
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They have confirmed multiple planets like earth, in the habitual zones for life around their star. They have shown that microbes were found on mars... today they say they have found a lake. Water is the essence of life in this galaxy as we know it. We have also been told that meteors drop off germs when they land... Look at the different races and cultures around the globe... It has begun.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 26 Jul 18 4.14am |
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that's given a new twist to what we call 'illegal aliens', cor blige!
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europalace  Europe 26 Jul 18 9.41am |
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I'm sure life is everywhere in the universe. Just like on earth where algae and microbes fill every nook and cranny here, wherever there is water in other galaxies and planetary systems, the same will be found there. In the last 10 years the first few hundred exoplanets have been discovered and that is with the limited technology and very limited (relative to the billions of galaxies we can't monitor) range we have today. With the age of the universe at around 13 billion years according to human calculations, many life forms/civilisations will have developed, matured and eventually died off and that process continues with us being a tiny piece of irrelevant 'algae' on the edge of our galaxy.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 26 Jul 18 10.18am |
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Originally posted by europalace
I'm sure life is everywhere in the universe. Just like on earth where algae and microbes fill every nook and cranny here, wherever there is water in other galaxies and planetary systems, the same will be found there. In the last 10 years the first few hundred exoplanets have been discovered and that is with the limited technology and very limited (relative to the billions of galaxies we can't monitor) range we have today. With the age of the universe at around 13 billion years according to human calculations, many life forms/civilisations will have developed, matured and eventually died off and that process continues with us being a tiny piece of irrelevant 'algae' on the edge of our galaxy. or 'chemical scum' as described by the late Stephen Hawking, speak for yourself Steve, oh it's all a matter of scale I suppose, is life the faintest of flickers in a lifeless void or the most significant thing in existence? Wetherspoons is now open so I'm off to the pub to think about it.
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