Gary Lineker backs Brexit referendum campaign
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 palace777  belfast 27 Jul 18 8.59am |
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Originally posted by europalace
"Former England footballer Gary Lineker has backed the campaign for another EU referendum, saying Brexit feels like it is "going very wrong indeed" " Who gives a sh*t what he thinks!
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silvertop  Portishead 27 Jul 18 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You assume that most people understand the details, which they don't.
I have gone on record as saying that I voted Remain but accept the result unless clear evidence of electoral irregularity surfaces that would have altered the result to the extent that remain would have won. That said, that this has gone messy can be no surprise given about 80% of MPs voted Remain; the result was incredibly close; there are still unanswered questions about foreign interference; and the Leave vote was substantively driven by the 2015 refugee crisis which has hugely abated (although the political repercussions rumble on). There is also the small fact that Remainers are not convinced by Brexiteers airily stating that the train crash we appear to be rocketing into should be considered an "opportunity". I hope they're wrong.
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 becky over the moon 27 Jul 18 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I have gone on record as saying that I voted Remain but accept the result unless clear evidence of electoral irregularity surfaces that would have altered the result to the extent that remain would have won. That said, that this has gone messy can be no surprise given about 80% of MPs voted Remain; the result was incredibly close; there are still unanswered questions about foreign interference; and the Leave vote was substantively driven by the 2015 refugee crisis which has hugely abated (although the political repercussions rumble on). There is also the small fact that Remainers are not convinced by Brexiteers airily stating that the train crash we appear to be rocketing into should be considered an "opportunity". I hope they're wrong.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jul 18 1.19pm |
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Why would any self-respecting EU passport-holder want to come and live in a third world banana republic like the UK.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Jul 18 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Why would any self-respecting EU passport-holder want to come and live in a third world banana republic like the UK. For the same reasons several million have already come, no doubt. Who serves you in your local shop or garage? If you tell me it's an English person I will not believe it.
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| davenotamonkey 27 Jul 18 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A referendum is a one off event whereas governments have a maximum term. Moreover, by direct analogy, the "losers" in this instance are attempting to block the formation of government following the results of the General Election. The result of the referendum has not yet been implemented, and they have been trying to derail it, dilute it, or reverse it since 24th June 2016. Scum, simply.
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 27 Jul 18 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I think people voted for Brexit ie BREXIT. I knew exactly what I was voting for and would do the same again. How was the Irish border controlled before EU membership? This is a red herring that can be easily overcome if there was a political will rather than a will to stop a democratic decision The Irish border pre-membership can't be re-implemented under the good Friday agreement (which was signed when both the UK and ROI were EU members). The good Friday agreement would have to be ripped up to establish a hard border between NI and ROI, or another agreement reached. It is not a red herring at all, it's a real headache for the government, with (possible) consequences of the troubles in Ireland flaring up again.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Jul 18 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
It's called a democratic vote...derr. How do you know Wilson would not have continued? Playing devils advocate; if the reason Brexiters are so opposed to a second referendum is because they fear the result would be different, surely by definition this is opposing democracy? If this was really about the democratic will of the people being performed, there should never really be any objection to a referendum, as this would capture the most recent democratic will of the people.. I genuinely don't know the answer, but I find the idea that it is anti-democracatic to put something to a vote quite difficult to accept.
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| Spiderman Horsham 27 Jul 18 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Playing devils advocate; if the reason Brexiters are so opposed to a second referendum is because they fear the result would be different, surely by definition this is opposing democracy? If this was really about the democratic will of the people being performed, there should never really be any objection to a referendum, as this would capture the most recent democratic will of the people.. Not quite sure of the logic here, surely the democratic will of the people was to leave and it was always going to take 2 years. With regard to any objection to a referendum, I assume you mean a 2nd one...the objection being the 1st one showed the democratic will of the people was to leave, My point was if the result of the referendum is not carried out, that is undemocratic.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jul 18 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Playing devils advocate; if the reason Brexiters are so opposed to a second referendum is because they fear the result would be different, surely by definition this is opposing democracy? If this was really about the democratic will of the people being performed, there should never really be any objection to a referendum, as this would capture the most recent democratic will of the people.. I genuinely don't know the answer, but I find the idea that it is anti-democracatic to put something to a vote quite difficult to accept. There was no mention of a second referendum until Remain lost.
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| davenotamonkey 27 Jul 18 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Playing devils advocate; if the reason Brexiters are so opposed to a second referendum is because they fear the result would be different, surely by definition this is opposing democracy? If this was really about the democratic will of the people being performed, there should never really be any objection to a referendum, as this would capture the most recent democratic will of the people.. I genuinely don't know the answer, but I find the idea that it is anti-democracatic to put something to a vote quite difficult to accept. Here. I would urge everyone to read this:
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| steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jul 18 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Not quite sure of the logic here, surely the democratic will of the people was to leave and it was always going to take 2 years. With regard to any objection to a referendum, I assume you mean a 2nd one...the objection being the 1st one showed the democratic will of the people was to leave, My point was if the result of the referendum is not carried out, that is undemocratic. It is not undemocratic as the referendum's terms were that it is advisory, not binding upon the government. The government's duty is to govern not hold referendums.
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