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Lal Thornton Heath 03 Oct 18 3.21pm
Has anyone in Block E heard from the club what happening about our seats as yet l not heard anything.
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Thornton Heath 03 Oct 18 3.21pm

Has anyone in Block E heard from the club what happening about our seats as yet l not heard anything.

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bicycle repair man 03 Oct 18 3.42pm
Originally posted by Lal Has anyone in Block E heard from the club what happening about our seats as yet l not heard anything. That's typical I'm afraid. The club should have consulted the people in Block E,in fact they should have contacted every season ticket holder in the lower Holmesdale,before making a decision , because by putting the HF in the middle it will have a knock on affect on all the people in the lower.
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Originally posted by Lal

Has anyone in Block E heard from the club what happening about our seats as yet l not heard anything.

That's typical I'm afraid.
The club should have consulted the people in Block E,in fact they should have contacted every season ticket holder in the lower Holmesdale,before making a decision , because by putting the HF in the middle it will have a knock on affect on all the people in the lower.

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arthur_wait 03 Oct 18 3.43pm
I'm not part of the HF, but home games without the ultras-led atmosphere are dreadful. Look forward to my Selhurst visits with all my heart, but dreading Saturday against Wolves. Their concentrated away support will piss all over our efforts as, in all likelihood, will their team against our uninspired bunch. The sooner we get the HF and their drum back in action, the sooner we can regain what had become a large part of our identity. Hopefully that positivity will then also transmit itself to the players who, arguably like the club as a whole right now, appear to be losing their way. Edited by arthur_wait (03 Oct 2018 3.44pm) All-knowing, all-seeing
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03 Oct 18 3.43pm

I'm not part of the HF, but home games without the ultras-led atmosphere are dreadful. Look forward to my Selhurst visits with all my heart, but dreading Saturday against Wolves. Their concentrated away support will piss all over our efforts as, in all likelihood, will their team against our uninspired bunch.

The sooner we get the HF and their drum back in action, the sooner we can regain what had become a large part of our identity. Hopefully that positivity will then also transmit itself to the players who, arguably like the club as a whole right now, appear to be losing their way.

Edited by arthur_wait (03 Oct 2018 3.44pm)

All-knowing, all-seeing

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est1905 03 Oct 18 5.49pm
Originally posted by SelhurstEagle End of the day, if it improves results or not, having the atmosphere return will improve the matchday experience and seperate us from other clubs. It has also helped us attract some high quality signings. End of Creating noise and waving flags is not in any way unique. Watching the Champions League updates programme on BT sport last night nearly every single ground had fans up one end non stop singing and waving flags. Only one or two grounds didn't. In Europe it seems unique if you dont have a section of fans that do that. And people say Palace has become famous for it. In England possibly but in Europe? No way. Torino, Dortmund, Olympiacos, Sevilla. Those clubs are famous for their hard core singing section which is far greater in numbers and noise than anything HF have ever done. Even in this country Liverpool are probably the most well known for it. Palace should be applauded for trying to create a good atmosphere at the game but really, Lets not get carried away. As for us signing quality players because of them, this is laughable. Because Meyer said he had heard about our amazing fans? He's being polite, paying the club compliments, paying lip service. No more than that. Trust me if a quality player said he wanted to join Palace and his reason was because of the fans everyone would (rightly) think he has a screw loose
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03 Oct 18 5.49pm

Originally posted by SelhurstEagle

End of the day, if it improves results or not, having the atmosphere return will improve the matchday experience and seperate us from other clubs. It has also helped us attract some high quality signings.

End of

Creating noise and waving flags is not in any way unique. Watching the Champions League updates programme on BT sport last night nearly every single ground had fans up one end non stop singing and waving flags. Only one or two grounds didn't. In Europe it seems unique if you dont have a section of fans that do that. And people say Palace has become famous for it. In England possibly but in Europe? No way. Torino, Dortmund, Olympiacos, Sevilla. Those clubs are famous for their hard core singing section which is far greater in numbers and noise than anything HF have ever done. Even in this country Liverpool are probably the most well known for it.

Palace should be applauded for trying to create a good atmosphere at the game but really, Lets not get carried away. As for us signing quality players because of them, this is laughable. Because Meyer said he had heard about our amazing fans? He's being polite, paying the club compliments, paying lip service. No more than that. Trust me if a quality player said he wanted to join Palace and his reason was because of the fans everyone would (rightly) think he has a screw loose

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est1905 03 Oct 18 5.54pm
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Ultimately most of this thread is driven by our PC approach to life. Turn the clock back to the terraces and this thread would not exist. Has PC improved our lives? That is the far bigger question here. What are you talking about? I'm the most anti PC person I know (and I know a couple of Millwall fans and a lot of Northerners!) Are you truly trying to say all those against the HF are PC brigade? That is such a moronic statement. Almost as thick as the idiot who posted that all Palace fans that dont love/support/want to be HF are prawn sandwich brigade. Its like conversing with children on here sometimes
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03 Oct 18 5.54pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Ultimately most of this thread is driven by our PC approach to life.
Turn the clock back to the terraces and this thread would not exist.
Has PC improved our lives? That is the far bigger question here.

What are you talking about? I'm the most anti PC person I know (and I know a couple of Millwall fans and a lot of Northerners!)
Are you truly trying to say all those against the HF are PC brigade? That is such a moronic statement.
Almost as thick as the idiot who posted that all Palace fans that dont love/support/want to be HF are prawn sandwich brigade.
Its like conversing with children on here sometimes

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est1905 03 Oct 18 5.59pm
Originally posted by bicycle repair man That's typical I'm afraid. The club should have consulted the people in Block E,in fact they should have contacted every season ticket holder in the lower Holmesdale,before making a decision , because by putting the HF in the middle it will have a knock on affect on all the people in the lower. This is a very big issue in moving them there. Will they suddenly agree to sit down? Of course not. So the whole lower tier will also have to stand if they want to see the game. This will result in fines for the club and quite possibly the threat of closure of the stand. Those of us that can remember late 90s/early 00s Jordan sent letters out to all of us begging us to sit down or the police were going to close the stand.
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03 Oct 18 5.59pm

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

That's typical I'm afraid.
The club should have consulted the people in Block E,in fact they should have contacted every season ticket holder in the lower Holmesdale,before making a decision , because by putting the HF in the middle it will have a knock on affect on all the people in the lower.

This is a very big issue in moving them there. Will they suddenly agree to sit down? Of course not. So the whole lower tier will also have to stand if they want to see the game. This will result in fines for the club and quite possibly the threat of closure of the stand.
Those of us that can remember late 90s/early 00s Jordan sent letters out to all of us begging us to sit down or the police were going to close the stand.

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est1905 03 Oct 18 6.02pm
Originally posted by arthur_wait I'm not part of the HF, but home games without the ultras-led atmosphere are dreadful. Look forward to my Selhurst visits with all my heart, but dreading Saturday against Wolves. Their concentrated away support will piss all over our efforts as, in all likelihood, will their team against our uninspired bunch. The sooner we get the HF and their drum back in action, the sooner we can regain what had become a large part of our identity. Hopefully that positivity will then also transmit itself to the players who, arguably like the club as a whole right now, appear to be losing their way. Edited by arthur_wait (03 Oct 2018 3.44pm) I gather from your user name you sit in the Arthur therefore get to experience the atmosphere without having to be amongst them. This is the difference
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03 Oct 18 6.02pm

Originally posted by arthur_wait

Edited by arthur_wait (03 Oct 2018 3.44pm)

I gather from your user name you sit in the Arthur therefore get to experience the atmosphere without having to be amongst them. This is the difference

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.TUX. 03 Oct 18 7.09pm
Originally posted by est1905 Creating noise and waving flags is not in any way unique. Watching the Champions League updates programme on BT sport last night nearly every single ground had fans up one end non stop singing and waving flags. Only one or two grounds didn't. In Europe it seems unique if you dont have a section of fans that do that. And people say Palace has become famous for it. In England possibly but in Europe? No way. Torino, Dortmund, Olympiacos, Sevilla. Those clubs are famous for their hard core singing section which is far greater in numbers and noise than anything HF have ever done. Even in this country Liverpool are probably the most well known for it. Palace should be applauded for trying to create a good atmosphere at the game but really, Lets not get carried away. As for us signing quality players because of them, this is laughable. Because Meyer said he had heard about our amazing fans? He's being polite, paying the club compliments, paying lip service. No more than that. Trust me if a quality player said he wanted to join Palace and his reason was because of the fans everyone would (rightly) think he has a screw loose I trust that you've been posting similar to the national media for the past several years now? Buy Litecoin.
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03 Oct 18 7.09pm

Originally posted by est1905

Palace should be applauded for trying to create a good atmosphere at the game but really, Lets not get carried away. As for us signing quality players because of them, this is laughable. Because Meyer said he had heard about our amazing fans? He's being polite, paying the club compliments, paying lip service. No more than that. Trust me if a quality player said he wanted to join Palace and his reason was because of the fans everyone would (rightly) think he has a screw loose

I trust that you've been posting similar to the national media for the past several years now?

Buy Litecoin.

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dorking 03 Oct 18 7.27pm
Originally posted by est1905 This is a very big issue in moving them there. Will they suddenly agree to sit down? Of course not. So the whole lower tier will also have to stand if they want to see the game. This will result in fines for the club and quite possibly the threat of closure of the stand. Those of us that can remember late 90s/early 00s Jordan sent letters out to all of us begging us to sit down or the police were going to close the stand. You're more than 10 years out of date. Stewards don't bother anymore, and legislation is powerless. Safe standing will be legal in the Prem by December, Spurs have already put it in
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03 Oct 18 7.27pm

Originally posted by est1905

You're more than 10 years out of date. Stewards don't bother anymore, and legislation is powerless.

Safe standing will be legal in the Prem by December, Spurs have already put it in

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highbury eagle Islington 03 Oct 18 7.28pm
Originally posted by est1905 What are you talking about? I'm the most anti PC person I know (and I know a couple of Millwall fans and a lot of Northerners!) Are you truly trying to say all those against the HF are PC brigade? That is such a moronic statement. Almost as thick as the idiot who posted that all Palace fans that dont love/support/want to be HF are prawn sandwich brigade. Its like conversing with children on here sometimes err, maybe that's because you are conversing with children sometimes Life is the same as it always will be, Easy as picking foxes from a tree. M Bolan
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Islington 03 Oct 18 7.28pm

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Originally posted by est1905

err, maybe that's because you are conversing with children sometimes

Life is the same as it always will be,
Easy as picking foxes from a tree.
M Bolan

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Palace in the Blood 03 Oct 18 10.50pm
Originally posted by dorking You're more than 10 years out of date. Stewards don't bother anymore, and legislation is powerless. Safe standing will be legal in the Prem by December, Spurs have already put it in 1)Under current legislation EPL stadiums have to be all seater 2) There is a very grey area if people have to actually sit in them. However if there was to be an incident due to crowd failing to use seats and someone died, I am fairly sure that corporate manslaughter proceedings would take place and would succeed both against club and its directors, 3) Safe Standing will not be in by December, however trials will probably start next season. Trials will be decided on a club by club basis based upon detailed plans put forward by clubs. 4) The club has issued the statement re the Lower Holmesdale and the singing section. The actual details will decide if authorities take action and/or refuse a safe standing trial application by club. 5)The safe standing trials will probably run for 5 years unless there is a serious incident. The fact that there have been no serious incidents at stadiums since all seater stadium became law can not be ignored. There will need to be a period of extensive testing and trials before the law makers are persuaded to make changes 6)The planning authorities may also decide to review the planning application for the new stand in view of these material changes
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Originally posted by dorking

You're more than 10 years out of date. Stewards don't bother anymore, and legislation is powerless.

Safe standing will be legal in the Prem by December, Spurs have already put it in

1)Under current legislation EPL stadiums have to be all seater
2) There is a very grey area if people have to actually sit in them. However if there was to be an incident due to crowd failing to use seats and someone died, I am fairly sure that corporate manslaughter proceedings would take place and would succeed both against club and its directors,
3) Safe Standing will not be in by December, however trials will probably start next season. Trials will be decided on a club by club basis based upon detailed plans put forward by clubs.
4) The club has issued the statement re the Lower Holmesdale and the singing section. The actual details will decide if authorities take action and/or refuse a safe standing trial application by club.
5)The safe standing trials will probably run for 5 years unless there is a serious incident. The fact that there have been no serious incidents at stadiums since all seater stadium became law can not be ignored. There will need to be a period of extensive testing and trials before the law makers are persuaded to make changes
6)The planning authorities may also decide to review the planning application for the new stand in view of these material changes

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dreamwaverider London 04 Oct 18 2.57am
Originally posted by est1905 Creating noise and waving flags is not in any way unique. Watching the Champions League updates programme on BT sport last night nearly every single ground had fans up one end non stop singing and waving flags. Only one or two grounds didn't. In Europe it seems unique if you dont have a section of fans that do that. And people say Palace has become famous for it. In England possibly but in Europe? No way. Torino, Dortmund, Olympiacos, Sevilla. Those clubs are famous for their hard core singing section which is far greater in numbers and noise than anything HF have ever done. Even in this country Liverpool are probably the most well known for it. Palace should be applauded for trying to create a good atmosphere at the game but really, Lets not get carried away. As for us signing quality players because of them, this is laughable. Because Meyer said he had heard about our amazing fans? He's being polite, paying the club compliments, paying lip service. No more than that. Trust me if a quality player said he wanted to join Palace and his reason was because of the fans everyone would (rightly) think he has a screw loose Maybe he has!!
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Originally posted by est1905

Maybe he has!!

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