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 mattteo  09 Aug 18 9.41am |
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Originally posted by Kant
Matteo, surely the fact that he is proven in the EPL is precisely why his value is higher and is a safer option. Lack of EPL experience was your reason for not recommending Dabbur: You now seem to have turned a 180 and ruled out a player who has shown he can adapt in England in favour of a list of unknowns with no EPL experience. What I meant about Dabbur was that he didn't play in a top league, but in a mediocre one. Both Stepinski and Ninga play in top leagues comparable with the English Premier League. Players from France usually score similar number of goals in England. And Stepinski is at an age at which adapting would be 100% certain with his physical qualities. It's a big difference between these players, used to score for low or mid-table teams and Dabbur, who plays for a team which dominates all the time, Red Bull Salzburg. I see Dabbur playing for a team which has the ball a lot, perhaps in Spain.
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| Petereagle Brockley 09 Aug 18 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
What I meant about Dabbur was that he didn't play in a top league, but in a mediocre one. Both Stepinski and Ninga play in top leagues comparable with the English Premier League. Players from France usually score similar number of goals in England. And Stepinski is at an age at which adapting would be 100% certain with his physical qualities. It's a big difference between these players, used to score for low or mid-table teams and Dabbur, who plays for a team which dominates all the time, Red Bull Salzburg. I see Dabbur playing for a team which has the ball a lot, perhaps in Spain. Surely not if we have Ayew on loan?
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| DeanMiles Telford 09 Aug 18 1.01pm |
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. Edited by DeanMiles (09 Aug 2018 1.01pm)
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| mileend East London 09 Aug 18 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Omph
Yes sorry goofed on thread. Ayew not Origi. I’d have liked Origi but not in our price bracket. Yeah, the Guardian transfer deadline day feed said that Liverpool were speculated to be looking for a fee of £26m. Nuts. It's going to be one of those windows where there will be a lot of clubs left with a lot of expensive wages for players they are not going to use having spent big on newcomers. I guess a lot of cut price deals to European teams in the next couple of weeks will be done, possibly loans so they can try and shift them on again to those desperate in the January window.
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| Omph Liverpool 09 Aug 18 7.19pm |
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The other thing with Origi is that you’re still very much buying potential. That looks fair enough given his age but it’s a tad worrying that his breakthrough came in Brazil and not Russia! He doesn’t seem to have progressed much in 4 years. There must be a danger that he is only ever going to be a flickering talent. Matteo will tell you all about his stats but if you do your own research his loan spell in Germany was a very very mixed bag. He started great but by the end of the season wasn’t wanted in the team even though it was a team struggling against relegation. A change in manager can explain that partially but he’s far from a sure thing. An interesting loan to buy prospect but probably no more. Ayew is a step down in class almost certainly but better value as number 3/4 striker. Originally posted by mileend
Yeah, the Guardian transfer deadline day feed said that Liverpool were speculated to be looking for a fee of £26m. Nuts. It's going to be one of those windows where there will be a lot of clubs left with a lot of expensive wages for players they are not going to use having spent big on newcomers. I guess a lot of cut price deals to European teams in the next couple of weeks will be done, possibly loans so they can try and shift them on again to those desperate in the January window.
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| mattteo 09 Aug 18 7.39pm |
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Originally posted by Omph
Why was it a mixed bag? He did very well for a struggling team in which everyone else underperformed. 7 goals and 3 asists in 2100 minutes, a little over 1 in 200 mins, even though he played as winger too. Why do you say he wasn't wanted by the end of the season? He played last matches as starter until the last day of the season, even the 2 relegation play-off matches in which he played 170 minutes out of 180. That Wolfsburg doesn't have 20 million to make the transfer permanent is a different thing.
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 02 Dec 18 6.10pm |
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Just scored the winner in the Merseyside derby but the chance before that might show that he wouldn't be the solution to our conversion rate.
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| mattteo 02 Dec 18 9.00pm |
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle
Just scored the winner in the Merseyside derby but the chance before that might show that he wouldn't be the solution to our conversion rate. Don't know what it shows, but we don't have the 25 million Livwrpool is asking in order to sell him.
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chateauferret  03 Dec 18 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle
Just scored the winner in the Merseyside derby but the chance before that might show that he wouldn't be the solution to our conversion rate. If he needs that much help from the keeper, the woodwork and whichever denizen of the underworld he's been doing deals with to get luck in that kind of quantity I'm not terribly impressed. Plus which for some reason the bin dippers now think he's God after that.
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