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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I'd say they're a good basis for every-day life. Your examples are extreme and would have to be weighed up individually.

I agree but that would be a persons individual morality overriding the societal morality (if they decided to murder or steal).

I find it interesting where the line is drawn, my examples were extreme but there are everyday examples which wouldn't be extreme. A person stealing when they are starving for example?

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Aug 18 6.36pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I am a tad right-wing with morality. leave me in a locked room with a proven kiddy-fddler and morals would not be given a second thought.

life in jail for some crimes is a total let-off. I'd happily pull the trigger on a lot of people. Others wouldn't. Personally, I would find it difficult to let a convicted rapist out of jail to re-offend.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Aug 18 6.40pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT for nicking stuff. Let's go Saudi

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Aug 18 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000



Not so sure. What about the Hitler point and the quiz questions? Do you never murder even if it could be to save millions?
Do you never steal even if it stopped a nuclear weapon falling into the hands of a total nutjob?

Why does everyone want to kill Hitler?
Ultimately he was a liability. Had he been killed, Germany might have won WW2 or maybe WW2 could have been avoided, which could have meant that the next war was nuclear. Who knows.
Hasn't anyone heard of the Butterfly effect?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why does everyone want to kill Hitler?
Ultimately he was a liability. Had he been killed, Germany might have won WW2 or maybe WW2 could have been avoided, which could have meant that the next war was nuclear. Who knows.
Hasn't anyone heard of the Butterfly effect?

Churchill vetoed a plan to assassinate Hitler not on moral grounds but because he was making such a hash of the war. Churchill was afraid his successor would be harder to beat.

I don't understand why the Far Right admire Hitler amongst his many obvious moral failings and faults he was also an incompetent leader.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why does everyone want to kill Hitler?
Ultimately he was a liability. Had he been killed, Germany might have won WW2 or maybe WW2 could have been avoided, which could have meant that the next war was nuclear. Who knows.
Hasn't anyone heard of the Butterfly effect?

Hitler, Stalin, any of the mass murderers really. It's more the point of killing one to save many.

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

Hitler, Stalin, any of the mass murderers really. It's more the point of killing one to save many.

It could all turn out worse, that is the point.

You would not be able to predict the outcome of killing an individual. Over the course of history, a whole load of outcomes would result which would most likely be good and bad but potentially disastrous.

 

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View Lakeview's Profile Lakeview Flag Lincoln 11 Aug 18 8.42pm Send a Private Message to Lakeview Add Lakeview as a friend

The murdering Hitler idea goes beyond just theory. Hitler claimed a British soldier showed him mercy in W.W.l and claimed he recignized him via a picture. The Tommy's name was Henry Tandy. How would you live with that in your mind?

 

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Originally posted by Lakeview

The murdering Hitler idea goes beyond just theory. Hitler claimed a British soldier showed him mercy in W.W.l and claimed he recignized him via a picture. The Tommy's name was Henry Tandy. How would you live with that in your mind?

Who is to say how things would have turned out without Hitler?
In 1000 years people might look back and say that WW2 was the catalyst to making the world a better place.
Certainly, It helped us into space and paved the way for years of peace between the superpowers.

Life is just not that simple.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It could all turn out worse, that is the point.

You would not be able to predict the outcome of killing an individual. Over the course of history, a whole load of outcomes would result which would most likely be good and bad but potentially disastrous.

It really isn't the point of this thread. The point of the thread was about morality. Therefore is it moral to kill one person to save thousands? Would it be moral to kill a known kiddie-fiddler who is about to molest a child?

My personal morality (which I think guides me more than societal morality) would say yes. I'm sure some peoples morals would stop them killing under any circumstances.

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

It really isn't the point of this thread. The point of the thread was about morality. Therefore is it moral to kill one person to save thousands? Would it be moral to kill a known kiddie-fiddler who is about to molest a child?

My personal morality (which I think guides me more than societal morality) would say yes. I'm sure some peoples morals would stop them killing under any circumstances.


I'm not sure killing people with premeditation is ever totally acceptable. You might kill in self defence or to protect others or in a military conflict but beyond that, it would be hard to justify in my view. There might be instances where a premeditated killing could be to defend one's self or others but that would be a very particular set of circumstances.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


I'm not sure killing people with premeditation is ever totally acceptable. You might kill in self defence or to protect others or in a military conflict but beyond that, it would be hard to justify in my view. There might be instances where a premeditated killing could be to defend one's self or others but that would be a very particular set of circumstances.

It's a difficult thing to decide. I'm glad that I've never had to make the decision.

 


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