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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Ah, well. The jury must have been wrong, then

Didn’t say that...

Just saying that in my opinion he went beyond self defence and the use of reasonable force. He also kicked a man whilst he was down and was following up to the extent Hales told him ‘that’s enough’.

I accept the verdict, but as mentioned I’m surprised he didn’t at least get his knuckles rapped for using excessive force. Who knows, that may not have even been an option given to the jury. Could have been custodial or free, no in between.

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

You are spot on, the CPS are idiots.

Twice in my life as a younger man I appeared in Crown Court avoiding bird each time.

The CPS basically employ all the guys who can't make it in private practice whilst I was paying my guys £400 an hour to run rings round them.

Sad but true, you buy justice.

Yep. If you’ve got cash you certainly give yourself much more of a chance

 


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Well they are wrong CF.

Stokes drank a combination of vodkas and beers that would have rendered many of us senseless.

Whatever happened he still brutally assaulted 2 people with long term physical damage, it was not self-defence he was not attacked himself.

If it was you or I we could expect to be a guest of Her Majesty tonight.

To pick him for Saturday while he has still to face disciplinary hearings is quite wrong.

What are others in particular those coming through to think?

What would be justice, is if Stokes were given a dose of his own medicine.

This is not commensurate with the game of cricket IMO


 

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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

You are spot on, the CPS are idiots.

Twice in my life as a younger man I appeared in Crown Court avoiding bird each time.

The CPS basically employ all the guys who can't make it in private practice whilst I was paying my guys £400 an hour to run rings round them.

Sad but true, you buy justice.

They tried to add two charges of ABH to the trial on the eve of it, or thereabouts. Even the judge said something all the lines of "you've had 10 months".

It was never in the public interest to bring this to trial. And it took them 4 months to decide to do that.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Pretty sure they were backing away before he sparked them and he definately followed up on of them while on the ground.

There's backing away, as in wanting no part of things and then there is backing away, once you know you've bitten off more than you can chew.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Didn’t say that...

Just saying that in my opinion he went beyond self defence and the use of reasonable force. He also kicked a man whilst he was down and was following up to the extent Hales told him ‘that’s enough’.

I accept the verdict, but as mentioned I’m surprised he didn’t at least get his knuckles rapped for using excessive force. Who knows, that may not have even been an option given to the jury. Could have been custodial or free, no in between.

Hales kicked the bloke, from my following of the case.

The CPS went with affray, excessive force isn't part of the criteria like it is for self defence in a burglary, for instance. They tried to tag on ABH latterly as I've posted, as their case was terrible.

The gay blokes are back in the papers telling their support for Stokes, now that they can be, despite doing so about a week after. Our daft justice system expects people to be able to forget these widely published things.

As they did with the girl who went to France with her teacher. They appealed for days that she was a missing person and gave all the relevant details. Then when it went to court the same publications couldn't name her.

 


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Was there some legal argument about the nature of 'affray' that meant that he could not be found guilty?

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Well they are wrong CF.

Stokes drank a combination of vodkas and beers that would have rendered many of us senseless.

Whatever happened he still brutally assaulted 2 people with long term physical damage, it was not self-defence he was not attacked himself.

If it was you or I we could expect to be a guest of Her Majesty tonight.

To pick him for Saturday while he has still to face disciplinary hearings is quite wrong.

What are others in particular those coming through to think?

What would be justice, is if Stokes were given a dose of his own medicine.

This is not commensurate with the game of cricket IMO


Some of this is valid, but on balance I believe he was acting in self defence. My only gripe as mentioned is that in my opinion I think he went beyond reasonable force in self defence. Probably due to the amount he’d tucked away

But we’re not in the courtroom, and a jury is of course random and subjective, so I’m sure if we knew all the facts the outcome would make perfect sense.

 


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Originally posted by Stuk

Hales kicked the bloke, from my following of the case.

The CPS went with affray, excessive force isn't part of the criteria like it is for self defence in a burglary, for instance. They tried to tag on ABH latterly as I've posted, as their case was terrible.

The gay blokes are back in the papers telling their support for Stokes, now that they can be, despite doing so about a week after. Our daft justice system expects people to be able to forget these widely published things.

As they did with the girl who went to France with her teacher. They appealed for days that she was a missing person and gave all the relevant details. Then when it went to court the same publications couldn't name her.

Ah right. This makes more sense re. Affray. So potentially if they’d put in the ABH claim earlier it might have been open to a slightly different outcome?

Edited by SW19 CPFC (14 Aug 2018 9.55pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stuk

They tried to add two charges of ABH to the trial on the eve of it, or thereabouts. Even the judge said something all the lines of "you've had 10 months".

It was never in the public interest to bring this to trial. And it took them 4 months to decide to do that.

This is the point. I believe the judge indicated that there was every likelihood those charges would have stuck. He was charged with affray.

It relies on a logic that had a person of reasonable firmness witnessed the incident they would have been scared for their own safety

Bizarre cock up on the charge sheet front

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

This is the point. I believe the judge indicated that there was every likelihood those charges would have stuck. He was charged with affray.

It relies on a logic that had a person of reasonable firmness witnessed the incident they would have been scared for their own safety

Bizarre cock up on the charge sheet front

Now it makes sense.

 


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Originally posted by Stuk

They tried to add two charges of ABH to the trial on the eve of it, or thereabouts. Even the judge said something all the lines of "you've had 10 months".

It was never in the public interest to bring this to trial. And it took them 4 months to decide to do that.

It was in the public interest IMO to prosecute given the CCTV footage. It appears that the CPS may have been over ambitious in the level of charge that could possibly have stuck. No one will know if the lesser charge would have been proven.

 

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