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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 02 Sep 18 8.19am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called '5 things learnt' by Midlands Eagle

2,3,5 Yes

Other two not so objective

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 02 Sep 18 8.54am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

Originally posted by Harry Beever

When Roy was asked if Wickham was fit in his prenatal confwrence he appeared to laugh and couldn’t quite understand his reply. Not sure i’d Be putting too many eggs in that basket

Forget Wickham he's not too far away from celebrating his 2nd anniversary on the sick list. A calf strain to him is another 3 months. He will be injured again in Jan so we wont be able to get rid. No one will pay good money for him with his record, we might just as well pay his contract up.

 

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View KAOS's Profile KAOS Flag In a tree 02 Sep 18 9.01am Send a Private Message to KAOS Add KAOS as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

In my 50th year of supporting Palace, I sympathise with you entirely. But we’re also experiencing the most successful era in the club’s history and I’m still of the mindset that every season in the top flight is a bonus. We’re both too long in the tooth to just ‘blame the manager’ during a sh*tty spell even if, in some instances (Taylor, de Boer, Burley, Pardew) , that’s the right thing to do but surely this is not such a time?

We will finish mid-table. Until we’re bought by an Arab sheikh, that’s the best we can expect.

Exactly mate. Too many Johnny Come Latelys who expect European football and a top 6 finish on here! Cracks me up ...


Edited by Cucking Funt (01 Sep 2018 5.36pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 18 9.07am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

The optimism after the Fulham game has dissipated after three straight defeats.

Benteke was his usual abject self and how he keeps getting played is beyond my comprehension.I don't want to be unkind to donkeys by comparing him to them but I heard such a comparision on more than one occasion yesterday.He infuriates me and my blood boils when I see him trying to play football and fluffing chance after chance.

The grand total of 1 goal since the end of January, and that was a penalty, yet he is seemingly our main striker who gets picked game on game.Says it all.

Edited by Willo (02 Sep 2018 9.10am)

 

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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 02 Sep 18 9.24am Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by The_Dumps

Savage words from Savage today...without Wilf a Championship team, at best.

Roy...Poor. Ayew...Poor. Benteke...Piss poor.

Meyer looked sharp.
Sorloth way better than Benteke, created a golden opportunity for Benteke to score and grab an assist to add to his goal this week, but from 2 yards out, that fool missed.


Edited by The_Dumps (01 Sep 2018 9.44pm)

Sørloth is so far out of his depth. He can't control a football and has no idea where it's going.

Yeah Benteke missed chances, the header from the corner was the only one I was really upset about. The one on one he linked up well and made the keeper work, the one from two yards, well it's hard to beat a keeper who is only a foot away from you. I felt Sørloth should have scored there with the first header as well. Nodding it to Benteke gave McCarthy time to adjust and smother it.

Thought Benteke did the target man role quite well and linked well with Ayew on a few occasions and should have had at least one penalty.

Personally, I think when Ayew is fit (people moaned when he went off but he looked knackered and at that point was just giving away fouls) he offers the movement to play as the lone striker if we revert to 4231.

To me, the much bigger problem was the midfield and the gameplan. Watching all three strikers today, the centre halves or Luka would have the ball, have no forward options so Benteke/Sørloth/Ayew start making runs ready for the long pass but it doesn't come. All three of them had to spend half their time trotting back from being offside because the pass was delayed. Even when Benteke came short at one point, Sakho still tried that ridiculous pass to PVA through 4 defenders that didn't work once. Right now we're mot playing patient, possession football. We're playing ponderous, predictable football.

We could have Harry Kane up front, the service is so inconsistent it's ridiculous. People also moaned when Andros went off but he was awful. He has one highlight moment a game, hitting the bar against Liverpool, an early cross in the last two games, and after that he's running around like a headless chicken who can't pass or control the ball.

Then you had Luka and McArthur playing exactly the same role in the first half and neither doing it well.

Jimmy looked better im the second when he pushed forward, but Luka has had a very poor start to the season. His passing is awful and his decision making and positioning are very suspect right now. Oh, and his dead ball delivery is very hit and miss. Watching him drop so deep to get the ball, at one point he dropped alongside Sakho to take a pass, then turned and passed to Kelly along the same line, which Sakho was perfectly capable of doing himself. He needs to stay further up so that in those situations the player with the ball has two options not one. His leadership was completely non-existent after the first goal as well, the body language from everyone was bad and he just stood there. Then started lunging in wildly. Would honestly rather see Kouyate start or Riedewald and Luka dropped.

Schlupp might as well have not been on the pitch. He was irrelevant in defence and attack, and only seemed capable of taking a 5 yard pass and then giving it straight back to a player who hadn't moved.

You can't win games when your midfield is that bad. When Kouyate came on we suddenly had drive and a bit of decisiveness. In the first half Luka got the ball to counter with 30 yards of open space in front of him. Instead of carrying the ball he tried a ludicrous pass with the outside of his foot and suddenly we were under pressure again. Kouyate had similar situations twice, both times he drove forward into the space and caused Southampton a problem.

When Meyer came on he wanted the ball. He demanded it. His movement was good, he can take and give off both feet. The two of them simply have to start the next game, whether they both sit and McArthur pushes forward or Meyer plays off Benteke/Ayew and Luka or Riedewald hold as well. No more 442 please.

I'd need to see the first goal again but other than that I thought Kelly had a decent ish game. He also offered better crosses than Townsend in the second half.

AWB is going to make mistakes but he's learning a position the hard way, so I don't mind that. He and PVA and Kelly kept going though. Wayne has every right to be frustrated with his teammates. He rescued us a couple of times, saves a pen and then we waste possession and chances carelessly.

 


Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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This post has been merged from a topic called 'New arrivals' by bexleydave

Sitting watching the game yesterday, it occurred to a few of us what is it with Roy and new arrivals?

I always work on the assumption we are bringing in players who even if they are filling a gap, should be better than we have so why does Roy sign players then never play them?

Last but one window we signed a loan player and a defender who never kicked a ball in angercatvthe club. Last window we sign a set of players now warming the bench.

While on the pitch we have lost three league games in a row.

 

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The proof in the pudding will be after the break. Roy has a little time to have a good reassessment of what he is trying to achieve and where it is going very wrong. If he serves up the same failed game plan and sticks to players who quite clearly are not on song, then the cat will be out of the bag.

 

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View Rainforest's Profile Rainforest Flag London England 02 Sep 18 10.18am Send a Private Message to Rainforest Add Rainforest as a friend

One observation I had yesterday watching the game was whenever we had the ball in our own half or the middle of the park we tend to hold the ball then passed it backwards or sideways instead of carrying it 10-20 yards to pass forward. This allowed Saints' defence to regroup. We don't tend to be quick with the ball going forward.

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 02 Sep 18 10.22am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Three players stand out for me as underperforming/not good enough for the first 11 from yesterday and they were Benteke, Townsend and Schlupp. Our problem then is who plays in place of them? I still have our best 11 including Loftus-Cheek and Cabaye and of course the missing Zaha. I’m confused as to why new players purchased still aren’t up to speed to be starters from our first game onwards. We are now 5 games in and playing a weaker 11 in our league matches then we had playing for us last season? Even though I said Townsend, he would be in my top 11 playing up front alongside Zaha. Perhaps Ayew? The big center forward doesn’t seem to work for us with Roy’s way of playing/players we have so we need to go back to a stronger midfield as McArthur and Luka need quality help In midfield?

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 02 Sep 18 10.41am Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Three players stand out for me as underperforming/not good enough for the first 11 from yesterday and they were Benteke, Townsend and Schlupp. Our problem then is who plays in place of them? I still have our best 11 including Loftus-Cheek and Cabaye and of course the missing Zaha. I’m confused as to why new players purchased still aren’t up to speed to be starters from our first game onwards. We are now 5 games in and playing a weaker 11 in our league matches then we had playing for us last season? Even though I said Townsend, he would be in my top 11 playing up front alongside Zaha. Perhaps Ayew? The big center forward doesn’t seem to work for us with Roy’s way of playing/players we have so we need to go back to a stronger midfield as McArthur and Luka need quality help In midfield?

Townsend for me is the most overated player in the team. Seems to have lost his pace, almost always cuts inside, making him very predictable and in his position should score more goals. Yes he runs around a lot and chases back, but rarely does he actually get a tackle in - watch the two Watford goals. With Benteke not looking like he'll ever score a goal, we need other players to step up and no one is. Which is why we rely so heavily on Zaha, without him we just don't look like scoring. I agree with others that Meyer and kayoute should be starting. If they don't start against Huddersfield, I really will be p****d off.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 18 10.48am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

Townsend for me is the most overated player in the team. Seems to have lost his pace, almost always cuts inside, making him very predictable and in his position should score more goals. Yes he runs around a lot and chases back, but rarely does he actually get a tackle in - watch the two Watford goals. With Benteke not looking like he'll ever score a goal, we need other players to step up and no one is. Which is why we rely so heavily on Zaha, without him we just don't look like scoring. I agree with others that Meyer and kayoute should be starting. If they don't start against Huddersfield, I really will be p****d off.

This is exactly what I was stating on HOL a couple of weeks ago.For me, he has been disappointing and perhaps his performances have not been criticised as much as all the focus is on Benteke and the continuance of his abject displays.

 

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jeeagles Flag 02 Sep 18 1.19pm

Thought the blame lies with Hodgson yesterday. He's got us well drilled but he's an avarage manager at this level.

Last season, Cabaye, RLC and Zaha would have carried us through that game. With the exception of Schlupp the rest of the players gave a good account of themselves but just weren't up to it.

Benteke seemed to be pressing more than usual but there's only so many times you can say he's unfortunate to miss.

Schlupp just seemed like he wasn't paying any attention. We should have dragged him off the pitch at the earliest opportunity. It was like we only had 10 men on the pitch.

Some positives. The new signings all played well. I'd like to see Zaha go back on the wing and keep Ayew up front.

 

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