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chateauferret 04 Sep 18 8.27am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Luka needs a playmaker beside him, and that is what I thought Meyer was brought in for. Roy needs to stop the dithering and put him in the starting 11. Oh, and drop Benteke, just to see if he has any hunger left in him. Is the correct answer. I don't think it's to do with captaincy. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

04 Sep 18 8.27am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Luka needs a playmaker beside him, and that is what I thought Meyer was brought in for. Roy needs to stop the dithering and put him in the starting 11. Oh, and drop Benteke, just to see if he has any hunger left in him.

Is the correct answer. I don't think it's to do with captaincy.

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Eaglecoops CR3 04 Sep 18 8.30am
Originally posted by chateauferret Is the correct answer. I don't think it's to do with captaincy. Agreed, if Meyer and Kouyate are in the starting 11, Luka does not have the same issues with having to play provider as well as protector.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 04 Sep 18 8.30am

Originally posted by chateauferret

Is the correct answer. I don't think it's to do with captaincy.

Agreed, if Meyer and Kouyate are in the starting 11, Luka does not have the same issues with having to play provider as well as protector.

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merganser 04 Sep 18 4.55pm
Posters are confusing his form/ abilities as a player with his qualities as a captain. I rate him as a player but not as a skipper. With more forceful and dynamic leadership, we might have won, or at least rescued, something from the matches we’ve lost. Looking back, Shaun Derry wasn’t the most gifted of players, but his spirit of resolve and determination spread to the rest of the team. I’m not convinced that’s happening with Luca, and it’s something for Roy to sort out. (It could also be said that there is not a lot of fire and brimstone radiating from the dug-out - just heads being held in hands as we miss another sitter.)
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merganser

04 Sep 18 4.55pm

Posters are confusing his form/ abilities as a player with his qualities as a captain.

I rate him as a player but not as a skipper.

With more forceful and dynamic leadership, we might have won, or at least rescued, something from the matches we’ve lost.

Looking back, Shaun Derry wasn’t the most gifted of players, but his spirit of resolve and determination spread to the rest of the team.

I’m not convinced that’s happening with Luca, and it’s something for Roy to sort out.

(It could also be said that there is not a lot of fire and brimstone radiating from the dug-out - just heads being held in hands as we miss another sitter.)

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Booted Eagle Bristol 04 Sep 18 7.26pm
I'm not really convinced that his performance as a captain have produced dips in other players form, some being iffy for sometime. He may well have jet lag from the World Cup. Didn't Cabaye go to the Euro's, didn't play but didn't appear for us for a few games ? Luckily in a way Wilf wasn't there. At the moment it doesn't look like any player that attended the World Cup is sparking. Maybe he just needs a couple of weeks rest, which he will get as he's fallen out with the Serbian manager. Edited by Booted Eagle (04 Sep 2018 7.27pm) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 04 Sep 18 7.26pm

I'm not really convinced that his performance as a captain have produced dips in other players form, some being iffy for sometime. He may well have jet lag from the World Cup. Didn't Cabaye go to the Euro's, didn't play but didn't appear for us for a few games ? Luckily in a way Wilf wasn't there. At the moment it doesn't look like any player that attended the World Cup is sparking. Maybe he just needs a couple of weeks rest, which he will get as he's fallen out with the Serbian manager.

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“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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PatrickA London 04 Sep 18 7.42pm
The current team seems to lack forceful characters in contrast to the side that came up - think Jedi and Delaney. Jedi was an inspirational captain who led by example and apparently was influential off the field as well. Since he left neither Dann or Puncheon have convinced. Luka is still the most convincing candidate in the current squad unless I’m missing something.
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PatrickA

London 04 Sep 18 7.42pm

The current team seems to lack forceful characters in contrast to the side that came up - think Jedi and Delaney.
Jedi was an inspirational captain who led by example and apparently was influential off the field as well.
Since he left neither Dann or Puncheon have convinced.
Luka is still the most convincing candidate in the current squad unless I’m missing something.

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Eaglecoops CR3 05 Sep 18 8.49am
Originally posted by merganser Posters are confusing his form/ abilities as a player with his qualities as a captain. I rate him as a player but not as a skipper. With more forceful and dynamic leadership, we might have won, or at least rescued, something from the matches we’ve lost. Looking back, Shaun Derry wasn’t the most gifted of players, but his spirit of resolve and determination spread to the rest of the team. I’m not convinced that’s happening with Luca, and it’s something for Roy to sort out. (It could also be said that there is not a lot of fire and brimstone radiating from the dug-out - just heads being held in hands as we miss another sitter.) I have to admit I would like to see more passion and maybe anger from the management. These players need to know that if they miss sitters then they are at immediate risk of being dropped, along with a wtf was that at half time or end of game. Ward deffo deserved a wtf was that, as has Benteke every game this season, and most of last to be fair.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 05 Sep 18 8.49am

Originally posted by merganser

Posters are confusing his form/ abilities as a player with his qualities as a captain.

I rate him as a player but not as a skipper.

With more forceful and dynamic leadership, we might have won, or at least rescued, something from the matches we’ve lost.

Looking back, Shaun Derry wasn’t the most gifted of players, but his spirit of resolve and determination spread to the rest of the team.

I’m not convinced that’s happening with Luca, and it’s something for Roy to sort out.

(It could also be said that there is not a lot of fire and brimstone radiating from the dug-out - just heads being held in hands as we miss another sitter.)

I have to admit I would like to see more passion and maybe anger from the management. These players need to know that if they miss sitters then they are at immediate risk of being dropped, along with a wtf was that at half time or end of game. Ward deffo deserved a wtf was that, as has Benteke every game this season, and most of last to be fair.

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Bald---Eagle 06 Sep 18 2.23am
Luca is our captain,
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Bald---Eagle

06 Sep 18 2.23am

Luca is our captain,

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ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 06 Sep 18 1.14pm
Originally posted by merganser Posters are confusing his form/ abilities as a player with his qualities as a captain. I rate him as a player but not as a skipper. With more forceful and dynamic leadership, we might have won, or at least rescued, something from the matches we’ve lost. Looking back, Shaun Derry wasn’t the most gifted of players, but his spirit of resolve and determination spread to the rest of the team. I’m not convinced that’s happening with Luca, and it’s something for Roy to sort out. (It could also be said that there is not a lot of fire and brimstone radiating from the dug-out - just heads being held in hands as we miss another sitter.) You may or may not be right, i am not sure, but its a good point, problem is, if not Luka for captain, then who???
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Originally posted by merganser

Posters are confusing his form/ abilities as a player with his qualities as a captain.

I rate him as a player but not as a skipper.

With more forceful and dynamic leadership, we might have won, or at least rescued, something from the matches we’ve lost.

Looking back, Shaun Derry wasn’t the most gifted of players, but his spirit of resolve and determination spread to the rest of the team.

I’m not convinced that’s happening with Luca, and it’s something for Roy to sort out.

(It could also be said that there is not a lot of fire and brimstone radiating from the dug-out - just heads being held in hands as we miss another sitter.)

You may or may not be right, i am not sure, but its a good point, problem is, if not Luka for captain, then who???

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The Saint Burnham,Buckinghamshire 12 Sep 18 9.43am
I think people are forgetting that Luka did go to the World Cup and is probably not quite on it as he should be. He has certainly lacked a bit of sparkle this season. But I think the captaincy has not so much to do with his form as his summer exertions. I hope the international break will do him some good. "A man may fight for many things. His country, his friends, his principles, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of French porn."
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The Saint

Burnham,Buckinghamshire 12 Sep 18 9.43am

I think people are forgetting that Luka did go to the World Cup and is probably not quite on it as he should be. He has certainly lacked a bit of sparkle this season.

But I think the captaincy has not so much to do with his form as his summer exertions.

I hope the international break will do him some good.

"A man may fight for many things. His country, his friends, his principles, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of French porn."

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bexleydave Barnehurst 12 Sep 18 10.18am
Originally posted by The Saint I think people are forgetting that Luka did go to the World Cup and is probably not quite on it as he should be. He has certainly lacked a bit of sparkle this season. But I think the captaincy has not so much to do with his form as his summer exertions. I hope the international break will do him some good. Serbia played just three games at the World Cup finals, the last of which was on 27 June. I think that blaming any loss of form on that, two months later, is stretching credibility beyond the limit. By and large the whole team has performed below expectations so far this season, and it's probably unfair to single out individuals. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 12 Sep 18 10.18am

Originally posted by The Saint

I think people are forgetting that Luka did go to the World Cup and is probably not quite on it as he should be. He has certainly lacked a bit of sparkle this season.

But I think the captaincy has not so much to do with his form as his summer exertions.

I hope the international break will do him some good.

Serbia played just three games at the World Cup finals, the last of which was on 27 June. I think that blaming any loss of form on that, two months later, is stretching credibility beyond the limit. By and large the whole team has performed below expectations so far this season, and it's probably unfair to single out individuals.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Sep 18 10.23am
Originally posted by bexleydave Serbia played just three games at the World Cup finals, the last of which was on 27 June. I think that blaming any loss of form on that, two months later, is stretching credibility beyond the limit. By and large the whole team has performed below expectations so far this season, and it's probably unfair to single out individuals. Certainly after the fine win at Fulham, nobody expected 3 defeats on the bounce.Been a disappointing run and a defeat at Huddersfield on Saturday will certainly attract a plethora of negativity, amidst an outpouring of criticism.
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Willo Online

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Sep 18 10.23am

Originally posted by bexleydave

Serbia played just three games at the World Cup finals, the last of which was on 27 June. I think that blaming any loss of form on that, two months later, is stretching credibility beyond the limit. By and large the whole team has performed below expectations so far this season, and it's probably unfair to single out individuals.

Certainly after the fine win at Fulham, nobody expected 3 defeats on the bounce.Been a disappointing run and a defeat at Huddersfield on Saturday will certainly attract a plethora of negativity, amidst an outpouring of criticism.

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Eaglecoops CR3 12 Sep 18 10.25am
Originally posted by bexleydave Serbia played just three games at the World Cup finals, the last of which was on 27 June. I think that blaming any loss of form on that, two months later, is stretching credibility beyond the limit. By and large the whole team has performed below expectations so far this season, and it's probably unfair to single out individuals. Can't disagree with you there, barring a few players I have been massively disappointed with the general performance level in our first few matches. Wayne has probably been our most consistent performer since the start of the season and I never expected to hear myself saying that.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 12 Sep 18 10.25am

Originally posted by bexleydave

Can't disagree with you there, barring a few players I have been massively disappointed with the general performance level in our first few matches. Wayne has probably been our most consistent performer since the start of the season and I never expected to hear myself saying that.

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