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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Sep 18 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
Bruno might of been scared but AJ wouldn't have been. Like all boxers, Bruno was probably just wary of his opponents punch power rather than having a dearth of intestinal fortitude. One boxer who showed great grit and no lack of bravery was Richard Dunn whom I remember being floored 5 times by Muhammad Ali - just kept getting off the canvas and showing the heart of a lion before he was final stopped in the 5th round. Edited by Willo (24 Sep 2018 3.26pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 18 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
Bruno might of been scared but AJ wouldn't have been. Easy for you to say.
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Even Larry Holmes had that a this was not such a good idea look on his face after one round. grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 24 Sep 18 3.37pm |
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Hrolf The Ganger I can tell you have never been around boxing or know any because what you are saying is complete rubbish. AJ is a top fighter his problem is wrong training team if he fixed this he would be destroying people. You can't compare past stars it was a different game back then. To also claim Fury is doing it to cash in is more rubbish fighters don't just go well im not ready i will do this anyway doesn't matter if I lose (The guy is the true champ you have to take opportunities in this game)
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Pussay Patrol  24 Sep 18 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Douglas was a bang average fighter. If you believe that he fought the best Tyson that night then good luck with that. Tyson even knocked Douglas out but the ref did a slow count. So basically you're saying that as long as Tyson didn't go off the rails and lose his focus he'd have never lost a fight. I just don't go along with that, I accept that he had lot of personal issues and obviously, he went to jail and was never the same fighter after, but I just think that's a convenient excuse, a fighter like Tyson was always going to come unstuck eventually, his explosive style was always going to be found out. If he had beaten Douglas, Holyfield was his next opponent and I think Holyfield would completely school him. AJ has developed into a great all round boxer, he has great power but also good hand speed, decent defence and is a good athlete. Would Tyson beat him over 12 rounds? Doubt it
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 18 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Hrolf The Ganger I can tell you have never been around boxing or know any because what you are saying is complete rubbish. AJ is a top fighter his problem is wrong training team if he fixed this he would be destroying people. You can't compare past stars it was a different game back then. To also claim Fury is doing it to cash in is more rubbish fighters don't just go well im not ready i will do this anyway doesn't matter if I lose (The guy is the true champ you have to take opportunities in this game) Ha ha another expert. So you question AJ trainers? You could do better I suppose. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Sep 2018 3.57pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 18 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So basically you're saying that as long as Tyson didn't go off the rails and lose his focus he'd have never lost a fight. I just don't go along with that, I accept that he had lot of personal issues and obviously, he went to jail and was never the same fighter after, but I just think that's a convenient excuse, a fighter like Tyson was always going to come unstuck eventually, his explosive style was always going to be found out. If he had beaten Douglas, Holyfield was his next opponent and I think Holyfield would completely school him. AJ has developed into a great all round boxer, he has great power but also good hand speed, decent defence and is a good athlete. Would Tyson beat him over 12 rounds? Doubt it Everyone loses eventually unless they retire first. I'd say that Lewis could have beaten Tyson on a good night and Holyfield was good but his miraculous move from cruiser to heavyweight without an ounce of fat on him, coupled with is a rapid loss of hair makes me suspicious that all was not natural about him. I'd take Tyson to beat him with proper trainers and in shape. The guys he had in his corner in his meltdown years were clueless. They were his pals. Tyson's training went to s***. No wonder he looked so bad against Douglas. No head movement greatly reduced aggression and a lack of desire. We will never know what would have happened but please don;t put AJ in the same bracket. He has miles to go.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Sep 18 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Hrolf The Ganger I can tell you have never been around boxing or know any because what you are saying is complete rubbish. AJ is a top fighter his problem is wrong training team if he fixed this he would be destroying people. You can't compare past stars it was a different game back then. To also claim Fury is doing it to cash in is more rubbish fighters don't just go well im not ready i will do this anyway doesn't matter if I lose (The guy is the true champ you have to take opportunities in this game) Fury is the 'true champ'? Absolute nonsense. That Ped loony is the B side to Wilder and chose to use the Joshua fight to announce theirs....that's how second class he is. He's going to lose to Wilder and blame it on coming back too soon....which is entirely his own decision. Tyson is all about the money now and can't be bothered to wait around and fight his way to what he was and get a legitimate world title chance.....So he takes on Wilder now for the cash. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2018 5.13pm)
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| Stirlingsays 24 Sep 18 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Everyone loses eventually unless they retire first. I'd say that Lewis could have beaten Tyson on a good night and Holyfield was good but his miraculous move from cruiser to heavyweight without an ounce of fat on him, coupled with is a rapid loss of hair makes me suspicious that all was not natural about him. I'd take Tyson to beat him with proper trainers and in shape. The guys he had in his corner in his meltdown years were clueless. They were his pals. Tyson's training went to s***. No wonder he looked so bad against Douglas. No head movement greatly reduced aggression and a lack of desire. We will never know what would have happened but please don;t put AJ in the same bracket. He has miles to go. Holyfield on peds.....probably....Na definitely..mind you we know that Tyson was....they all were. Holyfield was the better of the two.....he proved that. Maybe the early Tyson could have beaten him....but to be honest I think the result would have been the same....Holyfield had one hell of a chin and always traded back.
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 24 Sep 18 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ha ha another expert. So you question AJ trainers? You could do better I suppose. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Sep 2018 3.57pm)
I never said I would be better trainer from what I have seen and speaking with people that have been in the game a long time even been champs say his training team is wrong he is not progressing as he should be plus he has bulked up to much you dont't need all these fancy muscles thats for bodybuilders. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Fury is the 'true champ'? Absolute nonsense. That Ped loony is the B side to Wilder and chose to use the Joshua fight to announce theirs....that's how second class he is. He's going to lose to Wilder and blame it on coming back too soon....which is entirely his own decision. Tyson is all about the money now and can't be bothered to wait around and fight his way to what he was and get a legitimate world title chance.....So he takes on Wilder now for the cash. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2018 5.13pm)
Wilder vs Fury is the hottest fight planned otherwise they wouldn't book it if their was no interest plus Wilder knows he beats him he can use the title he is true champ. You are just another typical bloke who dont have a clue about boxing it's so laughable people that have never had anything to do with the game how they really dont have a clue. Edited by grumpymort (24 Sep 2018 5.54pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 18 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Wilder vs Fury is the hottest fight planned otherwise they wouldn't book it if their was no interest plus Wilder knows he beats him he can use the title he is true champ. You are just another typical bloke who dont have a clue about boxing it's so laughable people that have never had anything to do with the game how they really dont have a clue. Edited by grumpymort (24 Sep 2018 5.54pm) Everyone has an opinion about boxing and just because one might have been around it that does not make one right. For my evidence, I present Alan Shearer. Great striker. Talks bollocks 50% of the time. Fury is the linear champion but he will be nowhere near his best to fight Wilder. Unless Wilder is a lot worse than we think, Fury will probably get knocked out. If he goes the distance, he will not be allowed to win. He must know this himself, so money is his main objective.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 18 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Holyfield on peds.....probably....Na definitely..mind you we know that Tyson was....they all were. Holyfield was the better of the two.....he proved that. Maybe the early Tyson could have beaten him....but to be honest I think the result would have been the same....Holyfield had one hell of a chin and always traded back.
He certainly confessed to the 'piss bag' for recreational drugs. Knowing what I do about training, it is hard to imagine that a guy at 20 looked that way without a little help. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Sep 2018 6.50pm)
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| Stirlingsays 24 Sep 18 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
He certainly confessed to the 'piss bag' for recreational drugs. Knowing what I do about training, it is hard to imagine that a guy at 20 looked that way without a little help. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Sep 2018 6.50pm) Let's not forget that Holyfield was really a cruiser....those Bowe fights were great but Bowe was just too big....Holyfield was at a large disadvantage against the best of the biggest. Lewis was a similar story for him. But at his size or a bit bigger he was something else.....He revenged the Moorer defeat and he had apparent heart issues at the time of the loss.
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