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Deleted11 04 Oct 18 11.03am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Freedom of movement is a fundamental freedom to live and work where I wish in the EU.

Why should it be taken from us, what for.

Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff.

There's a couple if not a few issues here.
1: How can this country have food banks and people living on the streets or on benefits? Surely, there should be an education/training system in place to get this country's residents into jobs first (I understand that there can be an urgent needs for workers too)
2) The reason, in my eyes, of controlling immigration, isn't to have quotas on people from certain countries, but to have quotas on skills needed now and forecasted, ie, wages are being supressed for unskilled workers, because a very high % of workers that have come in over the last 10 odd years have been either unskilled, or extremely skilled but not knowing the language, which means they still took unskilled jobs.
3) Let's just use Romania as an example. Is it morally acceptable to kill their healthcare system so we can keep ours going by taking their skilled nurses and doctors? I'm not so sure it is, or should be.

I do sympathise with you, because you've been given something and it will most likely be taken away and I do believe that anyone who has come here before Brexit has been finalised and probably a little after should be allowed to stay if they wish to do so.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Oct 18 1.15pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Funny how capitalism equals credit, but anyway talking of capitalism my credit card was stolen a couple of weeks ago.

However, I have decided not to report it, as the thief is spending less than what my wife normally does......

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Freedom of movement is a fundamental freedom to live and work where I wish in the EU.

Why should it be taken from us, what for.

Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff.

I am not against freedom of movement. I am against freedom to turn up at someone else border with no money, no job offer, no accommodation, or family sponsor. I am against that individual being entitled to access to social housing benefits, healthcare, education. Now if that person says I have a well paid job and I don't need any of those things then fine.

My parents wanted to emigrate to the USA to live with my brother, fair enough they said but don't think we will be providing for you so my brother had to sponsor / guarantee them.

Update:
I forgot to mention I don't blame anyone for claiming if they are entitled to I blame the system and hopefully post Brexit that will change. This is not about being nasty to foreigners it's about putting your citizens first.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Oct 2018 1.44pm)

 


One more point

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 04 Oct 18 2.27pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You can understand how capitalism is positive while understanding that if it's unregulated there are harmful affects.

I wholeheartedly agree with this comment.

You must see I like playing Devil’s Advocate (and being a general nuisance) on here by now

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Oct 18 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

I wholeheartedly agree with this comment.

You must see I like playing Devil’s Advocate (and being a general nuisance) on here by now


You like trolling and I have zero issues with that.

If people can take it as well as give it....and stay within the rules then that's the kind of thought diversity that I like.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I am not against freedom of movement. I am against freedom to turn up at someone else border with no money, no job offer, no accommodation, or family sponsor. I am against that individual being entitled to access to social housing benefits, healthcare, education. Now if that person says I have a well paid job and I don't need any of those things then fine.

My parents wanted to emigrate to the USA to live with my brother, fair enough they said but don't think we will be providing for you so my brother had to sponsor / guarantee them.

Update:
I forgot to mention I don't blame anyone for claiming if they are entitled to I blame the system and hopefully post Brexit that will change. This is not about being nasty to foreigners it's about putting your citizens first.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Oct 2018 1.44pm)

We have seen 'white flight' from previously culturally homogeneous cities like London and Birmingham and so on......I have the idea that the end game will be 'English flight' from the country.....On far larger scales than now.

I think that's more likely than wide scale violence simply because the issue with that is it's a lost battle....all you're going to do is hurt many innocent people. Still, that's going to happen because a fair few haven't realised what's been happening....they think it's never going to affect them....when the s***e really hits the fan it isn't going to be pleasant.

But it's a lost cause. The country was given away by the boomer generation and they have raised their kids to celebrate it....most of the boomer generation will be dead by the time the chickens come home to roast.....though I'd say that time is unfortunately not that far off.

There's going to be a kind of redoubt country for Europeans......Maybe Hungary.....Hell Victor Orbán has already intimated as much.....I fear what's going to happen if there are no redoubts.

I'll never permanently leave the shores of my country but I'll be sure to advise my children to get out before it gets too bad.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 3.17pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You like trolling and I have zero issues with that.

If people can take it as well as give it....and stay within the rules then that's the kind of thought diversity that I like.

Ya massive softie beta male, you.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Ya massive softie beta male, you.


I'm an ex computer science teacher.....A part of me will always be part beta/nerd.

I just don't sign up to that girly tart stuff that you lot have.....probably keep your balls in a see through bag in the cupboard.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 04 Oct 18 7.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You can understand how capitalism is positive while understanding that if it's unregulated there are harmful affects.

then it is protectionism which is not capitalism indeed it smacks of socialism, perhaps national socialism. The closest we could get to capitalism at the moment is the true free movement of labour, and companies, the removal of regulation across the globe.


True globalisation of markets, rather than the provincial.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 04 Oct 18 7.29pm

An anecdote on true capitalism, I was speaking to a Chilean diplomat about the issue with their privatisation of state benefits. The gentlemen was moaning that they still needed projected support, however the fact that they lost the bulk of their money due to 'churning", and commission rip off was and is just part of the market's operation.


I suppose it all depends on whose pocket the money is flowing with many definitions of captailism.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 04 Oct 18 7.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'll never permanently leave the shores of my country but I'll be sure to advise my children to get out before it gets too bad.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 3.17pm)

Said Mr Khan coming back from fighting for the British Empire circa 1946.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Originally posted by pefwin

then it is protectionism which is not capitalism indeed it smacks of socialism, perhaps national socialism. The closest we could get to capitalism at the moment is the true free movement of labour, and companies, the removal of regulation across the globe.


True globalisation of markets, rather than the provincial.

But national borders must be maintained. Capitalism cares little for borders but as citizens of a country, we must protect our interests. Politicians are supposed to do this on our behalf.

 

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