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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 02 Oct 18 6.52pm Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

pray tell

haha. oops

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 02 Oct 18 7.23pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

2 words, Rakip, and Jach.

Or Jach, and Rakip, if you prefer.

We have had about 2 good transfer windows since we came up.

Hennessey has turned things around and looks good value to keep Guaita at bay but how on earth is he still at the club? He has to count his lucky stars. He was awful in the post Mandanda era but we messed around (see Ronnow, Frederic) and didnt address the issue. Ironically we finally sort it out, sign one of La Liga's best keepers and the bloke cant get a game as Wayne is playing out of his skin lately. Comedy, but not for Guaita who was playing first team against Spain's best not long ago.

When Pap Souare went down we had no left backs at the club. When Benteke went down a while back we had no fit senior strikers at the club. Murray, Glenn springs to mind. Too many poor decisions, too many mistakes. Too many times listening to a dumb manager, then blocking a good one.

The amount of times we played games and messed around on transfers, leaving things to the last minute, then got burned is unbelievable.

Think about Pardew, how on God's green earth was he not fired sooner. Remember Swansea 5-4?

But the most heinous and calamitous act that our chairman has ever committed - De Boer, Frank. Hiring a master of possession based football, with a questionable management style, after a 4 week long search, into our club which is built on counter attacking football and good team spirit. You couldn't make this stuff up. How can such a clanger be made, such a massive error of this nature? How can that happen? Then he tweets about togetherness then fires the guy after we actually should have easily beaten Burnley but Scott Dann missed an open goal, to name but one glaring miss.

I started a thread some months back called "Parish unable to progress us" and there was much chatter therein about the man running the show.

The latest handling of this HF topic - stand firm, then cave in, is classic Parish. This could have been sorted out 6 months ago with a strong leader taking control of the situation, being open and public about what was going on. Instead its rumors and theories about what is going on, followed by a show of force then a total 180.

My view is we are limited, held back, and not progressing as a club because of Steve Parish in many ways, plain and simple. Could someone else have done better? Yes. Could someone else have done worse, and rebranded us as the "Crystal Palace Eagles" and changed the colours - also yes. Both statements can be true, but the answer to the question is also still the same - we are not making progress because of the captain of the ship taking too many wrong turns.

This is all ironic though as for the first time in the premier league we started this season settled, with a half decent transfer window, and seemingly on the cusp of mid table mediocrity.

Alas not so far into the season and we have Jordan Ayew (a winger) or Alex Sorloth (million miles from Premier League starter) to choose from up top, next to Zaha.

 


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View Kant's Profile Kant Flag exeter 02 Oct 18 10.51pm Send a Private Message to Kant Add Kant as a friend

Short of acquiring a super rich owner willing to pump hundreds of millions into the club without return we are destined to fight a yearly battle against relegation in our mini league of 14 or 13.

Each new season we are at the mercy of a cocktail of risk factors: injuries, poor refs, individual mistakes, bad signings, lack of confidence, pure bad luck etc.

It’s a game of musical chairs. Chances are that sooner or later we will find ourselves in the bottom 3 when the music stops - as will all the other cannon fodder teams.

In fact over the course of the next 10 years I suspect every team bar the top six and Everton will go down.

So don’t fret about ‘progressing to the next level’ as if there is some sort of middle ground where safety is assured. There isn’t a next level - not for us, not for any of ‘the rest’. Just ask West Brom and Stoke.

Put your unrealistic expectations away and enjoy the good times while they last. It may not be perfect, but this is as good as it gets.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Oct 18 11.58pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

this league gets stronger year on year

all we do is play keeping up with the jones’

that is all we can do unless we get brought out by some billionaire

i genuinally do know what people expect

The two yanks are Billionaires.....

 


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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 03 Oct 18 1.22am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

1) A year on year failure to obtain an effective striker for the way we play. It’s reached a point now where I’d genuinely ship all of our strikers out and replace them with unknowns from the lower leagues or Europe in case we unearth a gem.

2) A complete over reliance on Zaha, to the extent that we have effectively convinced ourself that we can’t win if he doesn’t play or doesn’t play well. Teams can just double up on him now and know that if he is kept quiet we won’t beat them.

In short, a lack of attacking options.

 


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View exiled eagle's Profile exiled eagle Flag Southampton 03 Oct 18 3.40am Send a Private Message to exiled eagle Add exiled eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

1) A year on year failure to obtain an effective striker for the way we play. It’s reached a point now where I’d genuinely ship all of our strikers out and replace them with unknowns from the lower leagues or Europe in case we unearth a gem.

2) A complete over reliance on Zaha, to the extent that we have effectively convinced ourself that we can’t win if he doesn’t play or doesn’t play well. Teams can just double up on him now and know that if he is kept quiet we won’t beat them.

In short, a lack of attacking options.

Agree entirely with above post

 

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michaelpearce Flag grays 03 Oct 18 6.33am

Originally posted by Jimenez

The two yanks are Billionaires.....

sadly we needed them before the fairplay lge kicked in,chelsea and man city got in before the rules changed,only arsenal,man utd and liverpool had global support before the other 2,spurs and everton are trying to build,everton are 1 of 2 teams in Liverpool so get a large following,

we need a bigger ground that is going ahead,could do with a couple of trophy's to up our profile,that way we can get global support not just local support,to get all this is going tobe a long hard run,we are getting better and stronger, please let one of our strikers find there goal scoring boots, but I think its still 5 years off were the fans want us, no matter who runs the club.

as someone said just enjoy the moment, we maybe close to something good but no guarantees that is the nature of the beast

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 03 Oct 18 6.45am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by dp

Wan Bissaka?

I meant in the market really. AWB is an absolute gem. How many players would you say "wow, what a player for 5 million quid"?

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 03 Oct 18 6.48am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I meant in the market really. AWB is an absolute gem. How many players would you say "wow, what a player for 5 million quid"?

Or indeed lots more than £5m.

 


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View dp's Profile dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 03 Oct 18 11.19am Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I meant in the market really. AWB is an absolute gem. How many players would you say "wow, what a player for 5 million quid"?

Point taken. I didn’t mean to be obtuse. I am just on my soapbox that we have to be able to grow our own that are better than some of the people we are buying.

I mean, we are buying strikers that we don’t expect to score, so surely we can save our money and grow our own. If they don’t score then at least we have saved our money. That said Sorloth is still young, but we must have had someone else in the academy who could have done the same job.

Edited by dp (03 Oct 2018 11.26am)

 

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View RyWa's Profile RyWa Flag Beckenham 03 Oct 18 11.43am Send a Private Message to RyWa Add RyWa as a friend

I think the clear and obvious reasons theres been no real progress are

1) The constant changing on managers
2) Recruitment, or lack of.

Its hard to build a team when theres not a solid managerial team youre building it for. Every manager has preferences and their own ways of playing, as well as their coaching staff having their own ways of doing things.
So for much of our premier league existance we have started a season learning a new managers way, and its no coincidence we start poorly and end up mid table, probably beacuse the players take time to learn that managers way and by the end it has some what clicked.

In terms of recruitment, I understand Parish is cautious of FFP but he still keeps referring back to the Jan window we signed Luka, PVA and schlupp etc.
We've had 3 windows since then and all we've bought for big money is Sakho, not to mention we have had high value departures in that time with the likes of Cabaye and Sako amongst others leaving.
We havent addressed the problem areas that have been glaring for quite a while. We have failed to find a striker who is upto the job probably since we lost Glenn Murray.
Ayew was a rushed last resort who might get us 5 goals this year but certainly wont pull up any trees and has no realy commitment to palace due to him only being here on loan.
Why isnt Parish out there during the season making contact with teams and having players ready to go when a window opens.
Meyer was a great signing and he excites me, but we lost RLC & Cabaye, so we havent progressed, we've just tread water and attempted to even it up again.
For us to progress we need a deeper squad, we need a capable premier league striker and we probably need a No10.
Defensively i do believe we have progressed, but offensively we are miles off the pace and it should have been sorted.
We will continue to be frustrated week after week with chances being missed until we secure the signing of a genuinely good finisher and someone who can play the final pass and chip in themselves.
We cant rely on Wilf and PVA to score our goals to see us safe.

 

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View palacebob's Profile palacebob Flag melton mowbray 03 Oct 18 12.20pm Send a Private Message to palacebob Add palacebob as a friend

Watford and leicester come to mind they look solid dont rely on managers wasting money or chairmen buying players there is more than one way to survive its a back room problem for sure but not a manager issue any manager will only be short term that is the way of the game either let Dougie do his job which means trusting him or get someone in that you will trust.
The managers only known fact from the start is he will go one way or another he will be gone even the good ones go.
A quick rant .....
i really dont understand fans that say we need to spend big to succeed look at the the top six you could build several teams around the players they wasted money on Chelseas fixation with center forwards is horrific city no different with young players no team outside the top 6 could survive playing that game its a pundits answer to everything "you are with the big boys now" absolute Boxxoxs ....in my opinion...Rant over
Mind you what do i know i thought Frank was the answer as previously stated the Burnley game looked like a new beginning was starting.. in my defense no one mentioned his megalomaniac personality in any press conference

Edited by palacebob (03 Oct 2018 12.21pm)

 

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