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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 23 Apr 19 7.33pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It's ironic because the environmental 'solutions' disproportionately impact the poor Ė not them. Wealthy landowners get paid to build inefficient wind turbines on their land and that cost is passed on to the electricity bill payer. Meanwhile, reducing carbon emissions would mean affecting the jobs of factory workers and farmers etc etc.

Edited by Penge Eagle (23 Apr 2019 10.59am)

I donít understand this point - who and where the solutions impact is not the job of the public to resolve; I donít see how it affects their validity to protest (if thatís what youíre alluding).

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 23 Apr 19 7.39pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

An opinion.
There are as many who can counter the so called evidence.
Are there opinions not worthy.
The earth is a bit older than our statistics.
I was told at school some 40 years ago that a loaf of bread would be a fiver by now.
Statistics worked that out.
Wasnt quite right.

Their opinions are as valid as those who believe the earth is flat - you can debate the extent and severity of climate change, but itís pretty impossible to disagree with itís existence at this point - to do so is just neglecting facts.

Quite why you think the incorrect financial forecasting of your school textbook 40 years ago is relevant to that, I donít know.

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 23 Apr 19 8.05pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I donít understand this point - who and where the solutions impact is not the job of the public to resolve; I donít see how it affects their validity to protest (if thatís what youíre alluding).

I was referring to the point made about them being middle class and the irony in that the climate change solutions proposed by the government disproportionately affects the poor Ė and not them.

As a firm believer in free speech, I have no problem with them protesting. Though the other irony is they used s*** loads of plastic which they littered the street with!

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 23 Apr 19 11.32pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I was referring to the point made about them being middle class and the irony in that the climate change solutions proposed by the government disproportionately affects the poor Ė and not them.

That is the way these things work. The middle class dislike/like something and the negative impacts are always directed downwards. Be it climate change or unbridled immigration, the working class pay the price for middle class onanistic political causes.

And these climate change protests are the definition of 'white guilt' writ large. Nothing more than mass virtue signalling bordering on hysteria.

My own political antenna are twitching away though about them for a variety of reasons because something stinks about not only how they have been handled by the police but also the political reaction.

Just the fawning over this Swedish teenage girl by our political mainstream really does not sit right with me and whilst I appreciate that autistic people are fully entitled to opinions, I am uneasy about the way a girl is being put up on a pedestal here by politicans who would happily sell their own kids if it meant a step up the political ladder.

I am sure the kid is well meaning but lets get some perspective here. She is a child, clearly being exploited by adults. Ain't right.

I distrust the entire 'Green' movement for a whole host of reasons, not least that when you push almost all of them they end up taking a position that the Earth could do with a whole lot less people living on it, and they don't seem too worried about how that situation comes about but these recent events reek of a much bigger manipulation going on.

 

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View the.universal's Profile the.universal 23 Apr 19 11.54pm Send a Private Message to the.universal Add the.universal as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

That is the way these things work. The middle class dislike/like something and the negative impacts are always directed downwards. Be it climate change or unbridled immigration, the working class pay the price for middle class onanistic political causes.

And these climate change protests are the definition of 'white guilt' writ large. Nothing more than mass virtue signalling bordering on hysteria.

My own political antenna are twitching away though about them for a variety of reasons because something stinks about not only how they have been handled by the police but also the political reaction.

Just the fawning over this Swedish teenage girl by our political mainstream really does not sit right with me and whilst I appreciate that autistic people are fully entitled to opinions, I am uneasy about the way a girl is being put up on a pedestal here by politicans who would happily sell their own kids if it meant a step up the political ladder.

I am sure the kid is well meaning but lets get some perspective here. She is a child, clearly being exploited by adults. Ain't right.

I distrust the entire 'Green' movement for a whole host of reasons, not least that when you push almost all of them they end up taking a position that the Earth could do with a whole lot less people living on it, and they don't seem too worried about how that situation comes about but these recent events reek of a much bigger manipulation going on.

I started off thinking about rebutting each paragraph, but I found I only needed to do that once, so here you go:

Imagine middle class people disliking extreme poverty, then look at a graph of extreme poverty over the last 40 years.

As for the autism comments, really?!

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 24 Apr 19 12.49am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by the.universal

Imagine middle class people disliking extreme poverty, then look at a graph of extreme poverty over the last 40 years.

That's down to technological progress in many areas notably communication, distribution, energy and most importantly farming plus the US economy, as it funds by far the highest in UN programs.

Many modern day environmentalists have....in significant numbers opposed many of the key methods used...especially in farming to feed the poorest.


 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 24 Apr 19 6.55am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by the.universal

As for the autism comments, really?!

Yes. Really.

I had not paid much attention to these ER people, dismissing them as just another flavour of the usual green loons but thanks to this thread, I dug around a bit.

Actually a lot of the political reaction makes a lot more sense. The ER demands boil down to essentially putting a lot more power into the hands of politicians and effectively demanding what would be considered wartime Governances by way of a 'National Emergency'. No wonder the parasites up at Westminster are falling over themselves to get in line. This movement must be the only one that seems intent on giving them more real power at the moment, even if they masquerade behind this ludicrous notion of 'citizen assemblies'.

This is essentially part of a wider, middle class power grab, wrapped in some bulls*** 'save the planet' nonsense, posing the political version of 'when did you stop beating your wife' question.

A direct attack on democracy, once again. And invariably from the same people behind the campaign to thrawrt the real will of the people with regards to Brexit.

Edited by Matov (24 Apr 2019 6.57am)

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 24 Apr 19 6.56am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Doh!

Edited by Matov (24 Apr 2019 6.56am)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 24 Apr 19 5.39pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Their opinions are as valid as those who believe the earth is flat - you can debate the extent and severity of climate change, but itís pretty impossible to disagree with itís existence at this point - to do so is just neglecting facts.

Quite why you think the incorrect financial forecasting of your school textbook 40 years ago is relevant to that, I donít know.

My opinion doesnt state that climate change isnt happening.
My opinion is that its as natural as having a poo.
I dont beleive that its man made due to no historical records about how earth has changed over the millennia.
Not 10k years; like a million years as the planet is 4.5 billion years old
Everything is cyclical so we are probably in a phase of the earths life were we are being too clever for our own good.
Maybe we will start having plagues again, who knows.
Like i say we are still guessing at us causing the existance and severity.
A lot of highly intelligent people also doubt our input as well.
My point about school was that they made presumptions and guesses that simply were crap.
Scare mongering if you like; a bit like swampy and his mates!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 24 Apr 19 6.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

To me the question of whether climate change is man made or historically cyclical is besides the point.

We are due another glacial period and warming the atmosphere is probably going to delay its onset.

Just for reference I think the evidence that man, since the industrial revolution, has had a significant impact on the climate isn't in dispute.

However, what is also not in dispute has been the widely inaccurate predictions and scare stories that have been pushed both by'experts' and the media convinced by them......Apparently we are expected to ignore these like an easily distracted child.

Also we have the almost comical emotional reactions to climate change. The delusions these people have about the practically possible never cease to amaze me.

Indeed, the risk of nuclear attack is far more a realistic threat to the climate and the species. There are already several interesting developments in climate change technology.....that's the only practical and realistic way to approach it.

The future on earth is in building cities underground whether climate change is real or not.

I just pray I'm wrong about the nuclear future, but statistically I just don't see how I can be. If I'm not wrong the only hope is that it's a limited conflict.


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 24 Apr 19 6.15pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

An interesting post. I've always believed that mankind will wipe itself out one day, and via a nuclear conflict seems to be the most likely method, but I'm sure it (mankind) could find alternatives if it set its mind to it. Man won't "destroy the planet" though - the planet will survive, and with man out of the way, hopefully it will recover.

The green movement says that it wants to "save the world", whereas in fact it is trying to "save mankind" (and lots of other species besides). I do wonder if it's a futile ambition.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 24 Apr 19 6.36pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by YT

An interesting post. I've always believed that mankind will wipe itself out one day, and via a nuclear conflict seems to be the most likely method, but I'm sure it (mankind) could find alternatives if it set its mind to it. Man won't "destroy the planet" though - the planet will survive, and with man out of the way, hopefully it will recover.

The green movement says that it wants to "save the world", whereas in fact it is trying to "save mankind" (and lots of other species besides). I do wonder if it's a futile ambition.

Yep, the world will continue spinning around the sun regardless for billions of years yet unless a random massive object disrupts our orbit significantly.

Mankind however is very much in danger from several directions.

What troubles me most is the Fermi paradox. considering the size and age of the universe we should be seeing abundant evidence for sophisticated species elsewhere in the universe....or at least something.

But up to now we have very very little of anything of note. Perhaps we are the first to get to this stage....highly unlikely.

Or more uncomfortable is the thought that all civilizations reach a technological point beyond which their own developments wipe them out.

Lets hope that we are missing something....we probably are...different dimensions perhaps....or that our technology just can't detect the signals because of how distance affects them or whatever.

 

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