Cant see the wood for the trees, SP on transfers
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 southnorwoodhill  17 Oct 18 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Couldnt agree more. Listening to the chairman of a Premier League side say we sign players to make the numbers in training, and try to make it sound as if Sorloth is doing really well for us, all sounds a bit deluded. Seems to be going around lately. RH keeps saying we are putting in good performances, when it seems pretty clear we are totally unable to break down moderately well drilled defenses. If you get a goal at Selhurst, its game over, even if its in the first minute. Listen carefully to what SP said when asked about our overall strategy on transfers, and its kind of clear; we dont have one. Lack of "joined up thinking" runs through our club all over the place. Benteke had an abysmal season last year (not a few games, an entire season), Wickham is questionable to get back to his former levels, and Sako walked. So we sign Alex Sorloth, who couldnt cut it in the Eredivisie in Holland, and Ayew who has had about 1 shot on goal in 5 games. Our second biggest goal threat after Zaha is our left back. And some folks wonder why we cant score any goals at home. January will be a big window for us to solve our striker issues, unless Wickham can miraculously come good. Solving issues in transfer windows is not Steve's forte however. Seem to remember Freddie Ladapo being the only fit striker at the club not so long ago. Top post, and it's not like it is an overnight thing - this has been going on for seasons now!
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| A89M Streatham 17 Oct 18 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Overall I think our squad is decent enough and capable of staying up - with the exception of our forwards. And those that we currently have are all good examples of the varied transfer policy that we have. Spend big ? - We did that with Benteke. Has that been a success ? Unearth a hitherto unknown ' gem ' - we tried that with Sorloth. Has that been a success ? Ayew - Premier League experience with a modest goalscoring record. Has that been a success ? Wickham - on his day he looked the part, but he can't be relied upon given his injury record. So - has that been a success ?
As for SP's thoughts on this subject, I sometimes wonder if he has regular conversations with Ian Holloway.... Anyway, if you look at our ' friends ' from the South Coast, they have spent big on three forwards, none of whom are even close to removing their dependence on Glenn Murray. It just proves how difficult it is to find a proven goalscorer in a difficult league. Spending loads of money isn't guaranteed e.g Benteke. This constant moaning about SP since we've been in the Premier League has to be exhausting surely?! Every window apart from last years, i'm sure we have been pleased with our transfers and this years no exception. Ayew was a shrewd transfer on loan with a view to permanent in Jan. Scored goals in the Prem in the past and a backup/replacement for Benteke. How can there be complaints, where else could we have improved?.. Edited by A89M (17 Oct 2018 2.04pm)
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crvenaeagle  17 Oct 18 2.15pm |
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Since the era of Tony Pulis the only effective additions to the club were Yohan Cabaye and the one January window under Sam. Prior to Pulis we had Ian Holloway in charge and we all remember his window (at least he admitted it was a f*** up though.) Before that our last effective dealings were under Dougie Freedman. Golly gosh. I'll be corrected one a couple of things I'm sure, but who doesn't enjoy a good whinge?
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| Midlands Eagle 17 Oct 18 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by A89M
Ayew was a shrewd transfer on loan with a view to permanent in Jan. Shrewd or stroke of luck? Ayew was supposed to be a purchase funded by the sale of Jaïro Riedewald whom we allegedly paid £8m for The purchase of Ayew broke down as Riedewald refused to sign for Swansea so we just loaned Ayew as we couldn't afford to buy him outright
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 18 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by A89M
It just proves how difficult it is to find a proven goalscorer in a difficult league. Spending loads of money isn't guaranteed e.g Benteke. This constant moaning about SP since we've been in the Premier League has to be exhausting surely?! Every window apart from last years, i'm sure we have been pleased with our transfers and this years no exception. Ayew was a shrewd transfer on loan with a view to permanent in Jan. Scored goals in the Prem in the past and a backup/replacement for Benteke. How can there be complaints, where else could we have improved?.. Edited by A89M (17 Oct 2018 2.04pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 17 Oct 18 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by A89M
It just proves how difficult it is to find a proven goalscorer in a difficult league. Spending loads of money isn't guaranteed e.g Benteke. This constant moaning about SP since we've been in the Premier League has to be exhausting surely?! Every window apart from last years, i'm sure we have been pleased with our transfers and this years no exception. Ayew was a shrewd transfer on loan with a view to permanent in Jan. Scored goals in the Prem in the past and a backup/replacement for Benteke. How can there be complaints, where else could we have improved?.. Edited by A89M (17 Oct 2018 2.04pm) As I said, the answer to your question is up front. Scoring goals and not conceding goals is important in this game. Ayew did indeed score goals in the past, operating in completely different systems. Did you notice how Ayew hasnt even really had a decent effort on goal in multiple games in the league? Shrewd? He is not really a Benteke replacement, he is a totally different player? You forgot to list Alex Sorloth, who wasn't good enough in the Dutch top flight. He is the supposed Benteke replacement, but lo and behold when Benteke goes down, we play Ayew. Shows you what the manager thinks about Sorloth. Meanwhile we let Glenn Murray just walk away. Slightly galling isnt it? Even Bakary Sako would be started now, but he walked also. Our options up front are poor. Hence the lack of goals. Now I read Zaha is injured, we may aswell play PVA up front. The fact that this is a serious suggestion tells you exactly how we could have improved - signing a proper centre forward who can operate in our system. Maybe Parish is banking on Wickham. Given the last 2 years that is a pretty risky gamble.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Oct 18 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We were certainly frugal in the summer window with a spend of some £10 Mill but one suspects this was out of necessity on account of past excesses which of course includes wages. In terms of our results thus far this season, I happen to believe that we are well below-par in terms of points gained against the teams we have played and the early season optimism following the win at newly-prooted and high-spending Fulham seems to have dissipated.In actual fact when one considers Fulham's results this season, our win on the opening day doesn't really seem that brilliant !
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| A89M Streatham 17 Oct 18 5.24pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
As I said, the answer to your question is up front. Scoring goals and not conceding goals is important in this game. Ayew did indeed score goals in the past, operating in completely different systems. Did you notice how Ayew hasnt even really had a decent effort on goal in multiple games in the league? Shrewd? He is not really a Benteke replacement, he is a totally different player? You forgot to list Alex Sorloth, who wasn't good enough in the Dutch top flight. He is the supposed Benteke replacement, but lo and behold when Benteke goes down, we play Ayew. Shows you what the manager thinks about Sorloth. Meanwhile we let Glenn Murray just walk away. Slightly galling isnt it? Even Bakary Sako would be started now, but he walked also. Our options up front are poor. Hence the lack of goals. Now I read Zaha is injured, we may aswell play PVA up front. The fact that this is a serious suggestion tells you exactly how we could have improved - signing a proper centre forward who can operate in our system. Maybe Parish is banking on Wickham. Given the last 2 years that is a pretty risky gamble. Of course it's important it's also the most difficult, how many clubs below the top 6 have a prolific goalscorer? They may have better than us but that's not really saying a lot. Sorloth was apart of last years window which I agreed in my last post was not a great season for transfers apart from Sakho, who again at the time, was a great signing considering what he did for us under Allardyce. Our Goalkeeper has his confidence back seemingly because of the push Guaita has given him. Our back line is fairly solid, midfield as well (defensively). All we're lacking in is creativity and hopefully Meyer is that player once he gets regular game time - this is not SP's fault. Edited by A89M (17 Oct 2018 5.25pm)
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 17 Oct 18 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by crvenaeagle
Since the era of Tony Pulis the only effective additions to the club were Yohan Cabaye and the one January window under Sam. Prior to Pulis we had Ian Holloway in charge and we all remember his window (at least he admitted it was a f*** up though.) Before that our last effective dealings were under Dougie Freedman. Golly gosh. I'll be corrected one a couple of things I'm sure, but who doesn't enjoy a good whinge? PVA, Schlupp and Luka joined not shy of £35 million and the Beast came on loan. If we can get RLC back on loan then we need to spend at least £25-30 million on a striker.
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Wilbraham413  18 Oct 18 1.47am |
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Forget about the signings, just look at the players that are gone from last year's team: Cabaye, RLC, Sako. Cabaye and RLC would be starting every game this year, and Sako would be starting most. People were talking like Cabaye was crap and easily replaceable, but he has been our biggest loss in my opinion. When Sako was healthy, which wasn't often, he was always a threat to score. We let him go in favor of Ayew? Sorloth? When we have average Premier league quality players, we think they aren't good enough, then we let them walk and replace them with new players who are championship caliber at best. I don't get it. Without Zaha, we are Cardiff.
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| Joe Bloggs Nr Norwich 18 Oct 18 9.12am |
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As a former senior buyer not related to football I have spent a lot more money that Steve Parish but conventional To my mind we get into this situation time and time again which indicates that he fails to learn from his mistakes.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Oct 18 9.24am |
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Originally posted by Wilbraham413
Forget about the signings, just look at the players that are gone from last year's team: Cabaye, RLC, Sako. Cabaye and RLC would be starting every game this year, and Sako would be starting most. People were talking like Cabaye was crap and easily replaceable, but he has been our biggest loss in my opinion. When Sako was healthy, which wasn't often, he was always a threat to score. We let him go in favor of Ayew? Sorloth? When we have average Premier league quality players, we think they aren't good enough, then we let them walk and replace them with new players who are championship caliber at best. I don't get it. Without Zaha, we are Cardiff. I fully appreciate Cabaye's contribution for us but towards the end he was really in the twilight of his career and wasn't lasting the 90 mins and when one takes into consideration all the factors, including his wages, one can understand his departure. Apropos Sako, he was available on a 'Free' in pre-season but I don't recall any great clamour for his services.After a trial he has recently signed for WBA but I don't think he has actually played for them. With regard to Ayew, he hasn't been a prolific scorer in the PL but he did score 11 goals for Swansea last season, a team that got relegated, so one can understand why he was signed on a Loan deal.He is a totally different player to Benteke so we cannot play the same way with him up top. RLC's departure was out of our control but should he be available on loan in January I suspect we might well make moves to try and lure him back.
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