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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 19 Oct 18 9.18am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

All being somewhat shy on this one boys? 'I think we all know why, 'I suspect that,'

I don't blame the Tories,cI blame successive governments for failing to invest in our police services. Not just in terms of boots on the street - though it is proven by statistics that if you do have more visible policing in an area the crime rates go down whilst it is present, but also the merging of forces so officers spend hours simply traveling especially in rural areas, the privitisation or cutting of key back room services like forensic services and a failure to keep up technology.

I suspect that even with more people in the country we would still see rises and increasingly there is no down side to crime in that low level stuff is regularly simply ignored so there is little real threat of punishment.

Oh and add to that the issues with the CPS again staff cuts and difficulties in recruiting decent staff.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 19 Oct 18 9.39am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

The tories are totally responsible for the crime level.

They are the government but they are only interested in pillaging the nation's resources for the benefit of their patrons.

'Tough on crime and the causes of crime', labour were responsible and their policies worked for the country.

You would have to be blind not to see that, the figures show it to be the case, it is not an opinion.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Oct 18 10.23am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The tories are totally responsible for the crime level.

They are the government but they are only interested in pillaging the nation's resources for the benefit of their patrons.

'Tough on crime and the causes of crime', labour were responsible and their policies worked for the country.

You would have to be blind not to see that, the figures show it to be the case, it is not an opinion.


Not the criminals then?

Thanks for proving my point.

 

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View lefty27's Profile lefty27 Flag ipswich 19 Oct 18 10.44am Send a Private Message to lefty27 Add lefty27 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Certainly White British males commit crime but they are not the cause of the vast majority of violent knife crime or organised crime. I see rape has risen sharply as well. I suspect a certain demographic are responsible for that on their own judging by recent cases.

Is this an anti mass immigration rant? Well perhaps, but it is also the reality we now face thanks to idiotic policy.
When you import the third world....

Which demographic, where are these figures broken down to back up your argument ?
White males commit the vast majority of crime in this country.
I see hate crime has risen by 40%.
You have no statistics to back up your argument that these figures are linked to immigration, you are guesssing.
My guess is the economic factors and lack of police and the rise of gang culture and drug abuse.in inner cities are as likely to be factors.

 

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 19 Oct 18 11.07am Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The tories are totally responsible for the crime level.

They are the government but they are only interested in pillaging the nation's resources for the benefit of their patrons.

'Tough on crime and the causes of crime', labour were responsible and their policies worked for the country.

You would have to be blind not to see that, the figures show it to be the case, it is not an opinion.

If someone decides when leaving their house to take a knife with them then that is their choice. It has nothing whatsoever to do with who is or isn't in government at that time.

The Tories arnt responsible for knife crime, nor would Labour be if they were in government, it is solely down to the perpetrators.

Blame needs to be laid at the door of who commits crime, to blame whichever government you oppose is to put ones head in the sand and thus not dealing with the problem.

To effectively deal with knife crime hard truths need to be accepted.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Oct 18 11.11am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by lefty27

Which demographic, where are these figures broken down to back up your argument ?
White males commit the vast majority of crime in this country.

The article linked in the opening post actually referred to knife crime

Originally posted by lefty27

I see hate crime has risen by 40%.
You have no statistics to back up your argument that these figures are linked to immigration, you are guesssing.

It's a shame that the hate crime statistics aren't broken down into race as I think you may well find that a huge proportion of hate crime is perpetrated by one ethnic minority on another

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 19 Oct 18 11.33am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

If someone decides when leaving their house to take a knife with them then that is their choice. It has nothing whatsoever to do with who is or isn't in government at that time.

The Tories arnt responsible for knife crime, nor would Labour be if they were in government, it is solely down to the perpetrators.

Blame needs to be laid at the door of who commits crime, to blame whichever government you oppose is to put ones head in the sand and thus not dealing with the problem.

To effectively deal with knife crime hard truths need to be accepted.

You are wrong it is in the power of the government to restrict crime, as labours successful policy showed.

If the labour government of Tony and Gordon were here now, we would have a policy of 'tough on crime, and the causes of crime'.

This did not mean being soft on criminality.

The most obvious thing would be that you would see adequate policing and not raiding the nations dwindling coffers to have no police deterrent.

The tories don't give a s**t about us, they are worse thieves than the criminals.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Oct 18 11.40am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20


The tories don't give a s**t about us, they are worse thieves than the criminals.

How long have you had a second account here Nick?

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

How long have you had a second account here Nick?

Haha I have nothing to declare but my genius...Wilde

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Oct 18 1.01pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by lefty27

Which demographic, where are these figures broken down to back up your argument ?
White males commit the vast majority of crime in this country.
I see hate crime has risen by 40%.
You have no statistics to back up your argument that these figures are linked to immigration, you are guesssing.
My guess is the economic factors and lack of police and the rise of gang culture and drug abuse.in inner cities are as likely to be factors.

So you have a go at me for not providing data and then 'guess' that I'm wrong. I suppose you also think that the local papers only print crime stories about minorities too. Open your eyes. Look at the huge disproportion in prison populations. I suppose you think they are victims of racism.

Do you even believe official figures anymore? The police are owned by the government who are owned by 'illuminati'.

 

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag 19 Oct 18 2.13pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Unless we start changing laws and the court system punishes people it will only get worse.

doesn't matter how many coppers you have if those above are not fixed.

I have many friends that are in the police force and just speaking with them they even say how there hands are tired also it's switched to a money making force going after people they can issue out the likes of fines to people like drivers.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 19 Oct 18 2.28pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


So you have a go at me for not providing data and then 'guess' that I'm wrong. I suppose you also think that the local papers only print crime stories about minorities too. Open your eyes. Look at the huge disproportion in prison populations. I suppose you think they are victims of racism.

Do you even believe official figures anymore? The police are owned by the government who are owned by 'illuminati'.

Figures are of course spun and massaged, but made up?

Anyway.

Governments sets the agenda for education, welfare and society
Poverty increases when budgets are cut
Opportunity decreases when education is marginalised
This combination fuels an increase of desperation and disenchantment
Poor immigration strategy increases poverty and imported criminality
Immigrants also increase as a share of the poor and disadvantaged
Removal of social and community programmes enhances this further
Poorly planned welfare strategies add to the effect
Criminal enterprise takes over the role of community
Criminality starts to increase
Criminals are responsible for crime
Governments are responsible for providing Police to counteract it
Communities have a shared responsibility in proactive policing
Police are responsible for reactive and proactive policing
Lower budgets and less police mean more focus on reactive policing
Less proactive policing means less time spent on the causes
Community collaboration breaks down even further
Crime hits a new high
Politicians panic
Budgets get increased
Rinse and repeat

All that said, it's not all bad. It's still better to have been born now than at any time in human history. So at least we've got that.

 


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