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In terms of the Everton game, the whole scenario changed once Luka missed the penalty. Up until that point I thought we looked largely comfortable and at least a point a distinct possibility. But the penalty miss galvanised Everton and now Palace are hanging on for that point. So...what changes could Roy have made ? Well I wouldn't have disturbed the back 4 unless one of them was unable to continue. Midfield ? It can take players a few minutes to settle into the pace of the game, so maybe a reluctance to change at that particular stage of the game. Up front ? - He could have brought Ayew on as some fresh legs and potentially give Everton something different to think about, but based upon Ayew's performances to date maybe thought it wan't worth it.
The game ceased to be all about the eleven starting players many years ago now, so it's a concern that Roy seems either unable or unwilling to utilise his squad more effectively.
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This is from The Telegraph, a list of teams average time for 1st, 2nd and 3rd subs: Team 1st sub 2nd sub 3rd sub We are far, far later than any other team to make substitutions. Is Roy too stuck in his ways? No plan B, or is it that he doesn't trust the subs bench? Whatever the subs bench they're still in a premier league squad and should be able to offer something? Also the fitness levels would have to be something else, and i don't believe they are, if we don't need to freshen up until far later than anyone else. Edit - graphics haven't transferred too great, here is the link to the article: Edited by gambler (23 Oct 2018 1.06pm)
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An interesting piece in the Telegraph on subs being used in the Prem this season In short the article highlights that we have made less subs than any other team and made them later. The average time for the first sub this season is the 59th minute. Our average is the 75th minute. Does Roy think our bench is that bad? I would love to know his reasoning.
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Originally posted by The_postman
An interesting piece in the Telegraph on subs being used in the Prem this season In short the article highlights that we have made less subs than any other team and made them later. The average time for the first sub this season is the 59th minute. Our average is the 75th minute. Does Roy think our bench is that bad? I would love to know his reasoning. He is stuck in his ways and can't change. There were games last season where fresh legs were required (Cabaye was run into the ground) but he never made any changes. Same pattern this season so don't expect some "aha!" moment.
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
He is stuck in his ways and can't change. There were games last season where fresh legs were required (Cabaye was run into the ground) but he never made any changes. Same pattern this season so don't expect some "aha!" moment. Perhaps Roy has passed his sell by date,has run out of steam and should consider a well deserved retirement???
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Interesting article Given all PL clubs employ analysts extensively now, is Roy's tendency for late subs a known target areas for opposition to plan for? If so it seems to be working especially given the number of late goals conceded. Conversely all Evertons subs either scored or assisted on Sunday.
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Originally posted by Jacey
Perhaps Roy has passed his sell by date,has run out of steam and should consider a well deserved retirement??? I think by Xmas that question will be answered. Parish has gone for a succession of managers who will more or less guarantee Prem survival - with De Boer he took a gamble which failed miserably. I think we can all be grateful for Hodgson stepping in and doing a good job, unfortunately this season we haven't kicked on where we left off and that is frustrating.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
In terms of the Everton game, the whole scenario changed once Luka missed the penalty. Up until that point I thought we looked largely comfortable and at least a point a distinct possibility. But the penalty miss galvanised Everton and now Palace are hanging on for that point. So...what changes could Roy have made ? Well I wouldn't have disturbed the back 4 unless one of them was unable to continue. Midfield ? It can take players a few minutes to settle into the pace of the game, so maybe a reluctance to change at that particular stage of the game. Up front ? - He could have brought Ayew on as some fresh legs and potentially give Everton something different to think about, but based upon Ayew's performances to date maybe thought it wan't worth it.
The game ceased to be all about the eleven starting players many years ago now, so it's a concern that Roy seems either unable or unwilling to utilise his squad more effectively. All three are good points, and I would have agreed with you even up until a couple of years ago. Even in the last few years, players are covering more and more ground. It sounds like Roy asks a lot from his teams in terms of their defensive discipline, that requires them to keep up concentration which is very, very difficult for 90 minutes. Just one fresh set of legs could have made a huge difference. Ayew could have helped pressure, Wickham (depending on fitness) could have held the ball up and given the defence a break. Riedewald could have added more cover and fresh legs in the midfield. They brought on two big strikers, so we could have even brought on Kelly and gone to a back five for the last few minutes to see it out. Those were all options and we had a team that was clearly tiring. Even just having a fresh set of legs and eyes helping to direct tired teammates into position could have helped. You've hit the nail on the head with the last bit. We signed players to have a better squad for these situations. Being able to bring someone like Riedewald or Kelly off the bench is a pretty decent option for us. The game has changed, and we can't continue to play 11 v 14. The All Blacks talk about their closers. Players who are there to come on and make a difference, not there just in case. Sure, you have different options so you can adapt to the situation, but you plan to bring them on and that is part of the system. Dougie was actually really good of this when he was in charge. When we were struggling in 10/11 he often used to bring on Claude Davis as a third centre half to see out a 1-0 win and it worked on quite a few occasions:
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
He is stuck in his ways and can't change. There were games last season where fresh legs were required (Cabaye was run into the ground) but he never made any changes. Same pattern this season so don't expect some "aha!" moment. Roy has obviously been reading the Pards files under the case of the Puncheon conundrum.
“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” |
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Lots being made of fresh legs but bringing on cold players in the closing stages of the game in reaction to far superior subs by the opposition is a gamble rather than good management IMO. Apart from Walcott’s chance straight after the penalty we’d contained them quite well. I was more frustrated by his reluctance to introduce Meyer in the Southampton, Watford and Wolves games until it was literally slapping him in the face. As I recall one of the final nails for Pardew was his introduction of Cabaye in place of the tired McArthur against Man Utd in December 16 and Cabaye’s inability to acclimatise quickly enough to the game leading to their winning goal. That and an equally ill thought out sub involving Campbell.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Lots being made of fresh legs but bringing on cold players in the closing stages of the game in reaction to far superior subs by the opposition is a gamble rather than good management IMO. Apart from Walcott’s chance straight after the penalty we’d contained them quite well. I was more frustrated by his reluctance to introduce Meyer in the Southampton, Watford and Wolves games until it was literally slapping him in the face. As I recall one of the final nails for Pardew was his introduction of Cabaye in place of the tired McArthur against Man Utd in December 16 and Cabaye’s inability to acclimatise quickly enough to the game leading to their winning goal. That and an equally ill thought out sub involving Campbell. Sorry last bit was wrong Campbell for McArthur striker (allegedly) for midfielder.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Sorry last bit was wrong Campbell for McArthur striker (allegedly) for midfielder. I think his number was up when he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory at Swansea on 26 November and was a dead man walking after that until Allardyce was lined up. He had been totally toilet for yonks and yonks and yonks and that result confirmed him as a national laughing stock.
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