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Tipp_Eagle  Tipperary 14 Jun 19 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I was about to ask the same question. I haven't seen anywhere the AWB has said he wants to leave. You know what they say about the transfer windows and the press . Believe half of what you see and none of what you read , and even then if i saw AWB in a manure shirt id have my doubts .
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 CrazyBadger  Ware 14 Jun 19 1.35pm |
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Originally posted by salop-eagle
Has anybody read anywhere a direct quote from AWB saying he wishes to go to United? Or is it all 'reported' based on some spurious guesswork by the Sun? The only interview I've seen he says he will be here next year! I'm Not really sure That's the point of this thread anymore! Hopefully this will happen and it not all go into the alleged shortfalls in the accounts Edited by CrazyBadger (14 Jun 2019 1.36pm)
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| Master Coin 14 Jun 19 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What pissed off players? Southampton have regularly sold all their best players and that has taken them from high mid-table to barely avoiding relegation for the last two seasons. You like that model? Selling your best talent will eventually see any team in the Championship where the potential loss of income will make our transfer profits look like peanuts. I said "theoretically pissed off" quite intentionally. Do you even read?! You also have no argument against the rest of my post so have a) selectively commented and b) misquoted at that. Not only that I was actually arguing against the Southampton model and said both their model (buy cheap sell high) and ours (buy high sell low) are not sustainable. Ours is probably more sustainable if you're able to rake in some cash periodically (eg, selling AWB). Frankly I think every team in the league aside from the top 6 plus Everton and Wolves (the latest nouveau cash rich sides) are essentially 'renting' a spot in the PL. No team beyond those ~8 has a long term spot in the league. And that's actually supported by the fact that (I think) Everton and the top 6 (excluding City) are the only PL ever-presents.
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| Omph Liverpool 14 Jun 19 2.33pm |
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Broadly agreed - there really isn’t any model for not returning to the Championship. 7-9 years seems the maximum likely stay. There isn’t really any sign of a settled PL forming - almost exactly half of the top 4 tiers have now played in the PL. The Soton comparison doesn’t stand up given the number of players they’ve lost in recent seasons. A much better comparison is Watford selling Richarlison - one sale that helped them balance the books and buy in some talent. Originally posted by Master Coin
I said "theoretically pissed off" quite intentionally. Do you even read?! You also have no argument against the rest of my post so have a) selectively commented and b) misquoted at that. Not only that I was actually arguing against the Southampton model and said both their model (buy cheap sell high) and ours (buy high sell low) are not sustainable. Ours is probably more sustainable if you're able to rake in some cash periodically (eg, selling AWB). Frankly I think every team in the league aside from the top 6 plus Everton and Wolves (the latest nouveau cash rich sides) are essentially 'renting' a spot in the PL. No team beyond those ~8 has a long term spot in the league. And that's actually supported by the fact that (I think) Everton and the top 6 (excluding City) are the only PL ever-presents.
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| CrazyBadger Ware 14 Jun 19 2.36pm |
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The only model for not returning to the Championship I can see is bagging yourself a Sheikh.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jun 19 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by Omph
Broadly agreed - there really isn’t any model for not returning to the Championship. 7-9 years seems the maximum likely stay. There isn’t really any sign of a settled PL forming - almost exactly half of the top 4 tiers have now played in the PL. The Soton comparison doesn’t stand up given the number of players they’ve lost in recent seasons. A much better comparison is Watford selling Richarlison - one sale that helped them balance the books and buy in some talent. I cannot comment whether his sale (£35 mill rising to £50 Mill) helped them to balance the books as I have no knowledge of their finances but in terms of buying talent last season there weren't too many 'Stand-out' players they purchased apart from perhaps Deulofeu and Foster.Others they bought were Navarro,Masina,Wilmot,Sema,Quina and Stuparevic.
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| Tipp_Eagle Tipperary 14 Jun 19 3.55pm |
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‘But I am with Crystal Palace at the moment. That is where my contract is and that is where I will be next season. ‘I have got three years left on my contract. It says I am going to be there, so that is all I can focus on now.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 19 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by Master Coin
I said "theoretically pissed off" quite intentionally. Do you even read?! You also have no argument against the rest of my post so have a) selectively commented and b) misquoted at that. Not only that I was actually arguing against the Southampton model and said both their model (buy cheap sell high) and ours (buy high sell low) are not sustainable. Ours is probably more sustainable if you're able to rake in some cash periodically (eg, selling AWB). Frankly I think every team in the league aside from the top 6 plus Everton and Wolves (the latest nouveau cash rich sides) are essentially 'renting' a spot in the PL. No team beyond those ~8 has a long term spot in the league. And that's actually supported by the fact that (I think) Everton and the top 6 (excluding City) are the only PL ever-presents. If you don't think that watching a higher standard of football and staying in the PL are not good arguments then perhaps you should just mow your lawn on a Saturday.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jun 19 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If you don't think that watching a higher standard of football and staying in the PL are not good arguments then perhaps you should just mow your lawn on a Saturday. And maybe we stand a better chance of doing that 2+ very good players plus some funds rather than 1. Do you actually expect him to stay forever anyway, given the fact he gets lauded everywhere, even by Alan Hansen on motd? This has been going on for decades. The big reason Wilf is still here is because of his experience with David Moyes. Big clubs won’t pay his value and his wages and we’re looking to change that model as much as we can. Your wish is similar to a manager’s or a junior fan. You must know the financial, squad and goals situation? It’s been said enough times. Name me one recent top class player out of the top 6 who’s never left his club/been sold from youth age. It even happens in the top 6.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jun 19 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If you don't think that watching a higher standard of football and staying in the PL are not good arguments then perhaps you should just mow your lawn on a Saturday. I’ve been tempted not to bother using my season ticket recently now you mention it, watching a training drill for 95 minutes at Selhurst.
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Jun 19 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by Tipp_Eagle
‘But I am with Crystal Palace at the moment. That is where my contract is and that is where I will be next season. ‘I have got three years left on my contract. It says I am going to be there, so that is all I can focus on now.
That's standard footballer speak. A bit like when the chairman says that he has every confidence in the manager
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 19 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
And maybe we stand a better chance of doing that 2+ very good players plus some funds rather than 1. Do you actually expect him to stay forever anyway, given the fact he gets lauded everywhere, even by Alan Hansen on motd? This has been going on for decades. The big reason Wilf is still here is because of his experience with David Moyes. Big clubs won’t pay his value and his wages and we’re looking to change that model as much as we can. Your wish is similar to a manager’s or a junior fan. You must know the financial, squad and goals situation? It’s been said enough times. Name me one recent top class player out of the top 6 who’s never left his club/been sold from youth age. It even happens in the top 6. Haha. Do you mean someone who wants his team to beat other teams? Guilty. It seems that a chunk of our outspoken fan base are amateur accountants. The day am happy to sell our best ever right back is the day I give up football. We will not be better off for selling him. We have to increase revenue streams and get better investment and take a financial loss until we do or risk the financial meltdown of relegation. Then all our decent players will be sold.
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