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View PJH's Profile PJH Flag Colchester 13 Jun 19 1.58pm Send a Private Message to PJH Add PJH as a friend

Lots of opinions on the AWB question. The fact is in effect we're circa £50mio better off than we were 18 months ago if we sell him, let's not forget he only got in the side cos Wardy got injured, would be have got a chance otherwise ? No one wants to sell our best players, that is obvious, but needs must and in the financial position we find ourselves we cannot look a gifthorse in the mouth...we simply have to take the cash if it's anywhere north of £50mio. Unpalatable maybe but that's unfortunately how any club outside the top 6 would see this. I'd be a lot more worried if Wilf goes bearing in mind everything seems to go through him. AWB we can replace, Wilf we cannot.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Hrolf is not for turning.

Heís a right back ffs in a side that doesnít score at home, at a club that is so hamstrung with transfer funds we may as well watch on the laptop instead of going.

I'm bored now.

OK, let's see how it works out if we sell AWB and return to this at the end of the season.

If we have a good season then I will have no choice but to admit that we survived without him.
In the longer term, our status as a club will not improve and could plummet if we keep needing to sell our best. No club can continue to survive at the top level on that basis.

Fans who are happy to see AWB leave, like the tit currently on SKY sports from BOTN, clearly have the kind of ambition for the club that has kept us from ever winning anything ever.

It is imperative that the club builds a bigger stadium and expands its football revenue streams or we are sunk.

Selling the likes of AWB won't help there either.

 

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View Dannyh.V2's Profile Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 13 Jun 19 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Dannyh.V2 Add Dannyh.V2 as a friend

Opinions are like Assholes everyone has them, and some stink.

My opinion, is that is we will get labelled as a selling club and never be anything else. AWB is a young lad with the world (literally) at his feet. At this stage in his career I think going to a big club would stifle his development, but I'm guessing the big bucks are calling.

However as per every season we have been in the prem, we will be last off the blocks in the window, probably sell AWB for 50 million on deadline day, and leave ourselves short of a decent right back, or end up paying over the odds for a replacement or make do with Kelly at right back until the Jan window.

Typical Palace transfer activity awaits is my gut feeling. The media dept at Palace pushing Sortloth did nothing to quell my fears, nor did Luka turning down his offer.

Edited by Dannyh.V2 (13 Jun 2019 2.06pm)

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 13 Jun 19 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm bored now.

OK, let's see how it works out if we sell AWB and return to this at the end of the season.

If we have a good season then I will have no choice but to admit that we survived without him.
In the longer term, our status as a club will not improve and could plummet if we keep needing to sell our best. No club can continue to survive at the top level on that basis.

Fans who are happy to see AWB leave, like the tit currently on SKY sports from BOTN, clearly have the kind of ambition for the club that has kept us from ever winning anything ever.

It is imperative that the club builds a bigger stadium and expands its football revenue streams or we are sunk.

Selling the likes of AWB won't help there either.

Itís not lacking in ambition to sell a full back with 50 games for us
For £50 million if the majority of it could be reinvested in areas more needed. I enjoy watching AWB, but Iíd swap clapping his slide tackles for a load more goals.
If we keep him, great. If we get offered a fortune, would be best for him and us if he goes.

 

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View PJH's Profile PJH Flag Colchester 13 Jun 19 2.12pm Send a Private Message to PJH Add PJH as a friend

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Opinions are like Assholes everyone has them, and some stink.

My opinion, is that is we will get labelled as a selling club and never be anything else. AWB is a young lad with the world (literally) at his feet. At this stage in his career I think going to a big club would stifle his development, but I'm guessing the big bucks are calling.

However as per every season we have been in the prem, we will be last off the blocks in the window, probably sell AWB for 50 million on deadline day, and leave ourselves short of a decent right back, or end up paying over the odds for a replacement or make do with Kelly at right back until the Jan window.

Typical Palace transfer activity awaits is my gut feeling. The media dept at Palace pushing Sortloth did nothing to quell my fears, nor did Luka turning down his offer.

Edited by Dannyh.V2 (13 Jun 2019 2.06pm)

Very valid comments, but we're not seen as the selling club that we used to be. We have no reason to sell to anyone outside the top 6 and if we do it'll only be for serious wedge. In days gone by (and not long ago) if someone like Everton for example wanted a Palace player, we'd have to sell him. Now we'd tell them to f*** off. Progress of sorts !

 

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View The Beger's Profile The Beger Flag Croydon 13 Jun 19 2.19pm Send a Private Message to The Beger Add The Beger as a friend

Originally posted by JohnB

Do you accept that Palace are running at a loss?

Looking at the accounts, we made a loss, 2017-18, because our net transfer spend was £50. 2018-19 it should be in the region of £10.

Moreover, we have released more players, permanently, than taken on, 8 out, to 4 in. Also, during the last season more players went out on loan to than that came, 5 against 3. This does not include academy players loaned out or released.

Apart from 1 or 2 pay increases, (Wilf) I would have thought our wage bill has actually decreased.

This summer 3 players have already gone, with 1 more likely, and 2 or 3 loan players. 5 loanees do return, buts that's it, so I would expect our wage bill to have lowered further.

Our income 2017-18 was 150m but spent 184m, (50m net spend on transfers) hence the 34m loss. But deduct 40m from 184, we have, 144m, a profit or 6m if our income remained the same. Given a potential 5% increase in revenue, as seen in 2017-18, then our revenue was 157m. Since we had a longer cup run, I think that is possible. Now, we may still be paying delayed transfer fees, but I have no way of calculating that.

So 157m minus 144m, a profit of 13.5m, similar to the season before last.

 

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View JohnB's Profile JohnB Flag 13 Jun 19 2.29pm Send a Private Message to JohnB Add JohnB as a friend

Originally posted by The Beger

Looking at the accounts, we made a loss, 2017-18, because our net transfer spend was £50. 2018-19 it should be in the region of £10.

Moreover, we have released more players, permanently, than taken on, 8 out, to 4 in. Also, during the last season more players went out on loan to than that came, 5 against 3. This does not include academy players loaned out or released.

Apart from 1 or 2 pay increases, (Wilf) I would have thought our wage bill has actually decreased.

This summer 3 players have already gone, with 1 more likely, and 2 or 3 loan players. 5 loanees do return, buts that's it, so I would expect our wage bill to have lowered further.

Our income 2017-18 was 150m but spent 184m, (50m net spend on transfers) hence the 34m loss. But deduct 40m from 184, we have, 144m, a profit or 6m if our income remained the same. Given a potential 5% increase in revenue, as seen in 2017-18, then our revenue was 157m. Since we had a longer cup run, I think that is possible. Now, we may still be paying delayed transfer fees, but I have no way of calculating that.

So 157m minus 144m, a profit of 13.5m, similar to the season before last.

As explained before, the net transfer spend was £40m but only about £10 of that would have been recognised in those accounts as the value is ammortised over the duration of a contract. We are not running at a profit and are being propped up by director loans.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 3.50pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

Itís not lacking in ambition to sell a full back with 50 games for us
For £50 million if the majority of it could be reinvested in areas more needed. I enjoy watching AWB, but Iíd swap clapping his slide tackles for a load more goals.
If we keep him, great. If we get offered a fortune, would be best for him and us if he goes.

Like what?

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 13 Jun 19 3.51pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A daft comparison.

Both those clubs can attract quality replacements.
Both those players had a desire to play for a specific club.

Not at all. The money could easily be reinvested to buy players that could avoid relegation (which you were prophesying) and ,if wisely done, improve our position

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 13 Jun 19 3.54pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are happy for the team to sell it's best players and that makes you a good supporter?

How many games have you actually attended?

For someone who complains about words being put into your mouth, you are quite the hypocrite

No idea how many games. I started watching when they were in Division 2 in the 1960's

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

For someone who complains about words being put into your mouth, you are quite the hypocrite

No idea how many games. I started watching when they were in Division 2 in the 1960's

And that is obviously where you think we belong.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 4.01pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

Not at all. The money could easily be reinvested to buy players that could avoid relegation (which you were prophesying) and ,if wisely done, improve our position

Wow. How many times?

If we need to sell then the money won't be invested in players.
Even if it was, How many players do you think we can attract who would be of that standard?

We would need another right back for starters.

This club does not need profit. It needs players.

 

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