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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 16 Jun 19 4.59pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The post implied selling Zaha as well.

I'm through with this debate. Some Palace fans have the memories of goldfish. We just about stayed up even with AWB last season and that was in large part because the bottom three were so bad. Don't let finishing mid table fool you. We cannot afford to sell our best talent.

my post did suggest Zaha going as well, atm our star quality is at right back and on the right wing, say we get £120 mil for the pair - we could pay towards a side that instead had its star quality in central midfield and up front (striker) - it wouldn't happen overnight and we might have to go a bit backwards b4 we go fwds but it would be a step towards being able to play possession football better and so improve our awful home form. We mustn't do what Spurs did with the Bale money and buy half a dozen over-priced mediocrities, but we won't keep Wilf forever and when he goes we either buy a like for like replacement or rebuild, and AWB going could help the rebuilding - you can get a prem quality right back for less than a third of what we'll get for AWB and the profit can go where it is most needed - whether and when we get the right personnel is another matter but we'd have the means to rebuild effectively.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The post implied selling Zaha as well.

I'm through with this debate. Some Palace fans have the memories of goldfish. We just about stayed up even with AWB last season and that was in large part because the bottom three were so bad. Don't let finishing mid table fool you. We cannot afford to sell our best talent.

Multiple times in this thread you have said selling AWB would result in relegation.

Every time someone replies to you with a reasoned and justified response, you highlight one line and rant about how it's the worst thing in the world ignoring every other valid point.

We just about stayed up last season, as you put it, not because we had AWB, but because we spent the majority of the season without a striker. Results picked up the second we had the option of Batshuayi and Benteke. Surely that shows you that in order to progress, perhaps sacrificing one player for the greater good of the overall team is a risk worth taking.

I give up trying to reason with you as you clearly read what you want and won't compromise your views at all. The majority of people that have engaged with you have said that of course they would rather keep AWB but can see the need and the greater good, if you want to ignore it that's up to you.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 16 Jun 19 7.28pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by JohnB

Multiple times in this thread you have said selling AWB would result in relegation.

Every time someone replies to you with a reasoned and justified response, you highlight one line and rant about how it's the worst thing in the world ignoring every other valid point.

We just about stayed up last season, as you put it, not because we had AWB, but because we spent the majority of the season without a striker. Results picked up the second we had the option of Batshuayi and Benteke. Surely that shows you that in order to progress, perhaps sacrificing one player for the greater good of the overall team is a risk worth taking.

I give up trying to reason with you as you clearly read what you want and won't compromise your views at all. The majority of people that have engaged with you have said that of course they would rather keep AWB but can see the need and the greater good, if you want to ignore it that's up to you.

Blimey J
You need to have a go on the politics thread.
There are a couple on there that make hrolf look like the most compromising poster on HOL

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 16 Jun 19 7.37pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Blimey J
You need to have a go on the politics thread.
There are a couple on there that make hrolf look like the most compromising poster on HOL

 


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Originally posted by JohnB

Multiple times in this thread you have said selling AWB would result in relegation.

Every time someone replies to you with a reasoned and justified response, you highlight one line and rant about how it's the worst thing in the world ignoring every other valid point.

We just about stayed up last season, as you put it, not because we had AWB, but because we spent the majority of the season without a striker. Results picked up the second we had the option of Batshuayi and Benteke. Surely that shows you that in order to progress, perhaps sacrificing one player for the greater good of the overall team is a risk worth taking.

I give up trying to reason with you as you clearly read what you want and won't compromise your views at all. The majority of people that have engaged with you have said that of course they would rather keep AWB but can see the need and the greater good, if you want to ignore it that's up to you.

If I saw a convincing argument to sell our best players then I might compromise.

That has not been forthcoming.

We most certainly do need a striker and cover in defence but I would rather ride out another season with loan strikers than sell AWB prematurely.

This club must improve it's facilities, increase capacity and improve its profile in foreign markets.

Selling your best players is the road to nowhere.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Jun 19 11.47pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If I saw a convincing argument to sell our best players then I might compromise.

That has not been forthcoming.

We most certainly do need a striker and cover in defence but I would rather ride out another season with loan strikers than sell AWB prematurely.

This club must improve it's facilities, increase capacity and improve its profile in foreign markets.

Selling your best players is the road to nowhere.

What happens when at that point we need to replace jimmy mac, Scott dann, Tomkins, Wardy etc etc etc? The way contracts are arranged and the amount of players and players ageing or being worthless or at the end of their contracts and not worth renewing, you’re always looking at 2 quality recruits at least each season. How do we afford that if we need to buy a forward that season and 2 players the season before?

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 17 Jun 19 10.39am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If I saw a convincing argument to sell our best players then I might compromise.

That has not been forthcoming.

We most certainly do need a striker and cover in defence but I would rather ride out another season with loan strikers than sell AWB prematurely.

This club must improve it's facilities, increase capacity and improve its profile in foreign markets.

Selling your best players is the road to nowhere.

The Way to do these things is to increase revenue, or to get investment. The way to the foreign market is through better performances.

The Way to better performances is to have a better team. We have some glaring holes in our team, and other cracks that are only going to widen (ageing players etc) if we don't address this, then relegation calls with or without AWB. If the only way to fix these holes in the team is to sell AWB, then sorry, gotta do it.


 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What happens when at that point we need to replace jimmy mac, Scott dann, Tomkins, Wardy etc etc etc? The way contracts are arranged and the amount of players and players ageing or being worthless or at the end of their contracts and not worth renewing, you’re always looking at 2 quality recruits at least each season. How do we afford that if we need to buy a forward that season and 2 players the season before?

Every club has to slowly replace players but any serious club resists selling their best at all times.

When a top player leaves a serious club it is because they and the buying club aggressively engineer a move.

Sometimes that works and sometimes you end up like Saido Berahno.

 

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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The Way to do these things is to increase revenue, or to get investment. The way to the foreign market is through better performances.

The Way to better performances is to have a better team. We have some glaring holes in our team, and other cracks that are only going to widen (ageing players etc) if we don't address this, then relegation calls with or without AWB. If the only way to fix these holes in the team is to sell AWB, then sorry, gotta do it.


You will not have a better team by selling great players and buying average ones.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Jun 2019 10.56am)

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You will not have a better team by selling great players and buying average ones.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Jun 2019 10.56am)

thats where we disagree.
it depends on the situation and the players involved.

you can have a whole load of great players, but a bad team.

 


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also, you are assuming that we will buy dross...

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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to be honest I am not too bothered about loosing either zaha or wan-bissaka.

Been there done that with with the whole not wanting to loose our "best players"

 

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