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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 07 Nov 18 12.19pm Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Apologies for it all being in bold!


Originally posted by fish mitten

For those who believe in traditional freedom of speech these are not good times.

Indeed. To think this weekend we will remember those who gave their lives so that this country had the right to free speech.

We now live in a society where if you don't conform to the liberal elite's way of thinking then you need to be shamed in public.

I can think of the time when a tragedy occurred the sick jokes would be circulating within minutes. It was deemed 'black humour'. Having said that nobody was posting it on social media.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Nov 18 12.28pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

We have freedom of speech. We always have done. You don't have freedom of consequence though.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 07 Nov 18 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

We have freedom of speech. We always have done. You don't have freedom of consequence though.


The latter negates the former.

No one can stop someone speaking their mind.....but they can punish them for it.

How very Stalin.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 07 Nov 18 12.31pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

that the newspapers identified the names and address of the perpetrators is shameful.

if those idiots or their house get targetted, it should be the editor in the dock for incitement to murder.

 


34,300 reasons to love Selhurst in 2021

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 07 Nov 18 12.33pm Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The people who died in grenfell are dead.
They cant die twice.
They dont care.
It seems that some people have forgotten about the ongoing enquiry.
This will be the truth (i hope) of what happened.
Wait and see the uproar when it comes to fruition about what actually happened and why. Certain parts of society are not going to accept the trurh.
Watch this space.
By the way all these buildings were cladded because of an EU threat about our energy waste.
Not to make them look nice or worth more money.
Why do you think all the cladding is insulated.!!!

So we should waste energy?

Those horrible Europeans making us save energy and money!

 


Why did Tong Po think running at Kurt with a flame would make any difference?

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 Nov 18 12.33pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


The latter negates the former.

No one can stop someone speaking their mind.....but they can punish them for it.

How very Stalin.

No you cannot have freedom of speech without consequences.

With freedom of speech there must be responsibility.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 07 Nov 18 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

No you cannot have freedom of speech without consequences.

With freedom of speech there must be responsibility.


That was exactly the Soviet Union's position during the drafting of human rights laws after WW2.

Back then the western powers rejected it.

The Soviet Union being the original proposers and implementaters of 'hate speech' of course.

Justifying the suppression of the opposition starts with control of the language.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Nov 2018 12.42pm)

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Nov 18 12.47pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


The latter negates the former.

No one can stop someone speaking their mind.....but they can punish them for it.

How very Stalin.

So if someone insulted you/your wife/your kids to your face would you just shrug it off and say 'yeah fair play mate, freedom of speech'?

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Nov 18 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

No you cannot have freedom of speech without consequences.

With freedom of speech there must be responsibility.

And who makes the decision where to draw the line? The politicians, the courts, the people? Since the hate laws have been introduced we have seen an erosion of our freedom of speech yet there was precious little public involvement in this.

This is why we need a British Bill of Rights which includes freedom of speech as one of the guarantees. This should not just be a Tory brain child but a proper well thought through well argued and well debated process run by a commission that individuals, groups, organisations etc. can petition and from which the Bill of Rights emerges for parliament to vote on.


 


One more point

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 07 Nov 18 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

So if someone insulted you/your wife/your kids to your face would you just shrug it off and say 'yeah fair play mate, freedom of speech'?


I certainly wouldn't be calling the police for insults no.

Very few from where I'm from would have neither.....Wow, we truly see the difference here.

Anything else you want the state knocking on doors about? What's next, nasty rumours? 'He said/She said' gossip perhaps?

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Nov 2018 12.54pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Nov 18 1.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

So if someone insulted you/your wife/your kids to your face would you just shrug it off and say 'yeah fair play mate, freedom of speech'?

So you think violence is the answer? Or maybe we should just start locking people up for looking at you in a funny way.

Wow, you people really are the new fascists.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Nov 18 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

No you cannot have freedom of speech without consequences.

With freedom of speech there must be responsibility.

Eh!

Depending on what you're taking, I'd reduce or lower the dose.

For responsibility read conformity.

 

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