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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Nov 18 5.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


This is not acceptable and this I will put in a complaint about.

As for Youtube, it's a general platform and I haven't endorsed it. It's like any other platform, it's about the individuals who contribute to it....Some will be accurate and some won't be....so you have set up your own strawman argument here.

This guy is an unpleasant troll. The more you expose his nonsense the more unpleasant he becomes.

It's obvious that he's not quite all there.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 12 Nov 18 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This guy is an unpleasant troll. The more you expose his nonsense the more unpleasant he becomes.

It's obvious that he's not quite all there.


I think you hit the nail on the head there Hrolf.

Peffers is far left, which is fine....Peffers does some trolling, which is also fine.....But when you start making suggestions like that.

Let's ignore the horrible implicit nature of how someone would obviously take that remark and instead address the nicest way someone could take it.

I taught computer science and IT not politics. I take pride in the fact....that unlike some teachers I know....I didn't mix my philosophy or politics with teaching my subject. Good god, if you can't trust STEM teachers with that who can you trust.

I'm strongly of the the view that teachers of any political nature shouldn't get involved in imparting their politics. (with the exception of lecturers at university level...because students know what they are getting and can make a choice)

That's basic professionalism....if your students know who you vote for or can guess it, then you haven't been doing a good job.

No one is paying you to pontificate on how you think the world should work....they are paying you to teach how computers/software work...or whatever the subject happens to be.


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 12 Nov 18 5.44pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

you really have a closed mind, solely posting youtube crap, reminiscent of another ex-poster.

Just keep drinking the Cool Aid.

Given the utter historical illiteracy you've just neatly demonstrated, I find this line of attack particularly ironic.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 12 Nov 18 7.51pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


This is not acceptable and this I will put in a complaint about.

As for Youtube, it's a general platform and I haven't endorsed it. It's like any other platform, it's about the individuals who contribute to it....Some will be accurate and some won't be....so you have set up your own strawman argument here.

Itís definitely unacceptable but isnít that his freedom of speech?

Or should freedom of speech only not have freedom of consequence on this website?

 


Tw@tter:

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Nov 18 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Itís definitely unacceptable but isnít that his freedom of speech?

Or should freedom of speech only not have freedom of consequence on this website?

Freedom of speech has limitations in law and limitations here as laid down by the site rules.
It's all about how you interpret those rules.

Personally, I like it when people can expose their true character by being allowed to say what is on their mind.

I say let 'em talk.

 

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View pefwin's Profile pefwin Flag Fighting the politics of envy 12 Nov 18 8.57pm Send a Private Message to pefwin Add pefwin as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Itís definitely unacceptable but isnít that his freedom of speech?

Or should freedom of speech only not have freedom of consequence on this website?

I was talking about teaching ideology to kids but the "usuals" seem to have taken another way.

Surprise, Surprise, they don't like a doubting voice, and want to get me banned. One doesn't go 14 years without a yellow without understanding the English language, or law (at least of the Courts Of England and Wales).

Previously I've believed in free sppech on these boards; expect many many Rule 8 reports, I truely hope the Rule is obeyed and applied, as it is a rule of the site.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Nov 18 9.10pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

I was talking about teaching ideology to kids but the "usuals" seem to have taken another way.

Surprise, Surprise, they don't like a doubting voice, and want to get me banned. One doesn't go 14 years without a yellow without understanding the English language, or law (at least of the Courts Of England and Wales).

Previously I've believed in free sppech on these boards; expect many many Rule 8 reports, I truely hope the Rule is obeyed and applied, as it is a rule of the site.

You sound a bit rattled.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 12 Nov 18 9.11pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

I was talking about teaching ideology to kids but the "usuals" seem to have taken another way.

Surprise, Surprise, they don't like a doubting voice, and want to get me banned. One doesn't go 14 years without a yellow without understanding the English language, or law (at least of the Courts Of England and Wales).

Previously I've believed in free sppech on these boards; expect many many Rule 8 reports, I truely hope the Rule is obeyed and applied, as it is a rule of the site.

What do you make of the reports of civil service bullying.

At least 400 staff complaints of harassment, for a civil servant to complain it would appear serious.

No doubt brushed under the carpet.

Though it might be of interest.

 

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View pefwin's Profile pefwin Flag Fighting the politics of envy 12 Nov 18 9.23pm Send a Private Message to pefwin Add pefwin as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

What do you make of the reports of civil service bullying.

At least 400 staff complaints of harassment, for a civil servant to complain it would appear serious.

No doubt brushed under the carpet.

Though it might be of interest.

I've always been suspicious of malicious reporting and ill health retirement within public services.

However, I've also been involved in many cases of both where the public entity's first answer is always "no" and then you start to negotiate on the [first] appeal.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 12 Nov 18 9.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Itís definitely unacceptable but isnít that his freedom of speech?

Or should freedom of speech only not have freedom of consequence on this website?

I think when it comes to how most people would take that comment what he said would come under libel....While I complained it was under the basis upon how most people would read that comment. If it was concerned with him not liking a 'right wing' person teaching children....then while that's a silly viewpoint I would have accepted it no problem...He needed to make that clear in his comment.

Whenever I have spoken about freedom of speech....something I believe passionately about for everyone I've always phrased it within the structure of 'incitement to violence, libel, obscenity'....and being totally opposed to the relatively new revisions on so called 'hate speech'. (the concept originally coming from Stalin's soviet union)

I have respect for the free speech absolutist position but I think that ultimately that no rules at all lead to anarchy.....for example we'd be f-ing and c-ing on this site non stop with no rules at all.....You have a situation where someone can yell 'bomb' on a packed tube train.

But the bar has to be set pretty low....otherwise people are afraid to speak their mind. There are ways of putting your point across.

Left to the left....we see people are scared to voice their opinions. We have a job market where people get sacked for having the wrong opinions or having made a bad taste joke on social media....That isn't freedom, that's tyrannical.

We have situations where politicians never say anything outside of the mainstream.

So basically...if you get this far....I reject your implied criticism that I'm a hypocrite.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 12 Nov 18 9.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

I was talking about teaching ideology to kids but the "usuals" seem to have taken another way.

Surprise, Surprise, they don't like a doubting voice, and want to get me banned. One doesn't go 14 years without a yellow without understanding the English language, or law (at least of the Courts Of England and Wales).

Previously I've believed in free sppech on these boards; expect many many Rule 8 reports, I truely hope the Rule is obeyed and applied, as it is a rule of the site.

I don't think anyone wants you banned.

Unlike other sites we could mention it takes quite a lot here.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Nov 18 9.52pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think anyone wants you banned.

Unlike other sites we could mention it takes quite a lot here.

Certainly not.

I need to be reminded of the sort of people we have helped ruin this country.

 

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