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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 19 Nov 18 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Amazing how people will argue this or as this thread shows they don't agree about the problem of poverty in this country but when you start talking about helping other countries or foreign aid, they'll say 'this country should look after their own'

Yes, I would slash foreign aid and give it to help the less well off in Britain.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 18 12.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

What about fish n chips, English breakfast, greggs etc?

Only foreign food is unhealthy?

I remember reading that fish and Chips had a Jewish origin. Fish and chips has been around since the 1800's anyway and there were a lot of malnourished people around back then and not so many fatties.
It is true to say fast food is a foreign import and a recent one.
I can remember when there was no MacDonald's and hardly any other takeaways anywhere.

The high street actually used to have shops in it.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Nov 18 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

What about fish n chips, English breakfast, greggs etc?

Only foreign food is unhealthy?

What a daft post. Mediterraneans eat foreign food and they have far healthier lifestyles than Brits.

Good old fish n chips may not be the healthiest of foods but people don't tend to eat it quite as regularly as they do the American imported junk food.

This thread is supposed to be about poverty and I don't suppose that many poor people can afford to eat a full English breakfast that often as it's certainly not cheap

 

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 19 Nov 18 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Yes, I would slash foreign aid and give it to help the less well off in Britain.

You just said the poor are rich by global standards ?

Surely you be a advocate of foreign aid if you held that view?

Or is this just more cognitive dissonance?

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 19 Nov 18 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

You just said the poor are rich by global standards ?

Surely you be a advocate of foreign aid if you held that view?

Or is this just more cognitive dissonance?

UK poor are rich by global standards.

UK poor can still be helped despite this.

Foreign aid is being mis-spent.

Is it any clearer?

 

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 19 Nov 18 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

UK poor are rich by global standards.

UK poor can still be helped despite this.

Foreign aid is being mis-spent.

Is it any clearer?

OK it's just up until now you seem to disagree with subject matter but now comes across like you do feel there is a poverty issue in the UK?

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 19 Nov 18 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

OK it's just up until now you seem to disagree with subject matter but now comes across like you do feel there is a poverty issue in the UK?

It completely depends on the definition of poverty. If we're all working off different metrics, then we're not going to agree on a solution. What's your metric? How do you class a poor person?

 

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 19 Nov 18 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It completely depends on the definition of poverty. If we're all working off different metrics, then we're not going to agree on a solution. What's your metric? How do you class a poor person?

I think the use of foodbanks and payday loans which have rocketed in recent years are a good barometer. Homelessness has increased. Undeniable facts.

look at the high street and the only shops doing well are the low end retailers like Primark, lidl, then there's cash a cheque shops, betting shops, everything is so short term, cost of living has increased while wages have stagnated.

I think we are regressive as a nation due to current government policy on austerity, cuts in services, low minimum wage and workers rights, lack of affordable housing, this is gradually sucking the wealth from the bottom up to the top. So overall living standards are worsening for all but the wealthy

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 18 7.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think the use of foodbanks and payday loans which have rocketed in recent years are a good barometer. Homelessness has increased. Undeniable facts.

look at the high street and the only shops doing well are the low end retailers like Primark, lidl, then there's cash a cheque shops, betting shops, everything is so short term, cost of living has increased while wages have stagnated.

I think we are regressive as a nation due to current government policy on austerity, cuts in services, low minimum wage and workers rights, lack of affordable housing, this is gradually sucking the wealth from the bottom up to the top. So overall living standards are worsening for all but the wealthy

Yeah, better just borrow more and more and let our kids pay for it later.

You will be voting Labour. We get it.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 19 Nov 18 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

While I don't agree with PP on how he frames what poverty is.....I don't deny that we have a significant underclass and always have had. I also don't deny that the problem of the enlarging underclass is mainly a result of politicians ignoring social problems out of political expediency.....kicking the can down the road.

What PP also seems unable to recognise is that governments have used immigration to increase population size at the lower socio-economic scale for short term economic booasts have only increased the longer term burden on housing and infrastructure and hence lowered the lifestyle standard that the taxpayer is willing to provide for the unproductive or lower paid working class (excepting genuine medical situations).

In a successful environment of high life expectancy also adding to this burden by about the same amount it equates to political criminality.....Yet people like PP have no issues with ignoring these self inflicted crimes and continually point at the wealthy to solve the problems of others.

So essentially people like PP aren't the right people to be listening to in regards of these problems because their solutions would lead to even worse outcomes than now.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Nov 18 8.55pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think the use of foodbanks and payday loans which have rocketed in recent years are a good barometer. Homelessness has increased. Undeniable facts.

look at the high street and the only shops doing well are the low end retailers like Primark, lidl, then there's cash a cheque shops, betting shops, everything is so short term, cost of living has increased while wages have stagnated.

I think we are regressive as a nation due to current government policy on austerity, cuts in services, low minimum wage and workers rights, lack of affordable housing, this is gradually sucking the wealth from the bottom up to the top. So overall living standards are worsening for all but the wealthy

Aldi and Lidl are two of several supermarkets making a profit.when they update their shops, they get more customers. Iím not surprised Aldi and Lidl are doing well. Brits will eat anything or buy food as cheap fuel rather than it being a priority in their lives and financial outgoings. They do well in Germany but the Germans have the sense to buy certain better goods in local shops as well, as we did in this country, from the bakers, butchers etc. Sainsburyís were going to open Nettos next door to each other to tap into this.

Primark are not the only shop on the high street or in the shopping mall, but the reason theyíre big on the high street is because the margins make online deliveries unprofitable or the delivery fees too high a percentage of the bill seeing as nobody would qualify for free delivery with orders over £40 or £60. There are plenty of other shops charging a range of prices.

My opposition to FOBTís means I believe there should be a quarter of the betting shops on our streets in some places. There were 4 on the traffic lights at Thornton Heath pond the last time I noticed about 5 years ago and thereís nothing to suggest thatíll change, apart from £2 maximum bets on the machines, which I think starts in April and nowhere near the delay the bookies claimed it needed since it takes minimal time to reduce the stake limits. They certainly have no trouble increasing them or restricting or closing accounts, so itís been a legislation issue and good riddance to FOBTís.

Some of the payday loans and pawn shops will be people genuinely in trouble through no fault of their own and then thereíll be people whoíve steered themselves that way because the culture now is ĎI want, I haveí, and credit and a debt spiral should be avoided. This should be taught in schools along with how to turn an oven on, because some parents donít know how to or show how to.

Sure there are people whoíve had it generally unlucky and need free nappies etc but there are people who could choose a lifestyle change, because that is what going from living beyond your means to living within your means and cutting out anything unnecessary will require, and that includes everything from clothes you canít afford, booze, fags, tattoos, weed, bets, brand named food, ready meals, sweets, biscuits, chocolates, crisps, fizzy drinks etc etc etc. Pretty much any shyte outside of your 3 meals a day and the clothes you need to live in, work in when or if you work. Itís terrible that some parents donít eat so their children have a meal but sometimes itíll be because theyíre now in debt or that lifestyle change wasnít made early enough. Itís a really big commitment to live on the small amounts per week but if you watch the life swap programs youíll see some who manage it and others that have the richer swappers bring in good ideas for the poorer house go incorporate. Funnily itís usually the men who have no problem living on £2 a day, probably because they started off with nothing or went to university. Itís damn hard doing it for years mind you but the alternative is really bad.

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think the use of foodbanks and payday loans which have rocketed in recent years are a good barometer. Homelessness has increased. Undeniable facts.

look at the high street and the only shops doing well are the low end retailers like Primark, lidl, then there's cash a cheque shops, betting shops, everything is so short term, cost of living has increased while wages have stagnated.

I think we are regressive as a nation due to current government policy on austerity, cuts in services, low minimum wage and workers rights, lack of affordable housing, this is gradually sucking the wealth from the bottom up to the top. So overall living standards are worsening for all but the wealthy

I think austerity was because the previous government left the cupboard bare.
Pretty sad that the present government had to impose austerity to stock it up again.
That was very selfish of the labour party really.
I reckon this is going to be cyclical.
Maggie closed the mines to save money that the previous government before her had spunked.
Strange how history repeats itself and will again.
Maybe the students who love labour so much now will see the light after a few years when they have their own families and problems.

 

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