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Stirlingsays 07 Dec 18 8.26pm
Originally posted by Casual Usyk is 6 ft 3 and by far the best boxer, although he’s not strong enough to stop any of them , but I bet he punches as hard as fury and is elusive. Pulev isn’t good enough. I’d beat miller Left handed. Ortiz is 74. Parker doesn’t start throwing his hands until the last 30seconds in the 12th. Brazealle, Martin etc are all two Bob. Hughie fury isn’t good enough. Dubois/ Gorman are too raw, and a few years away, if they ever get there. Joyce really isn’t very good, too slow and trying to be fast tracked due to his age. Poverkin has been decent, but coming down the hill, rather than going up it. Whyte is a level below them 3, but could trouble them if he landed. As could Chisora , after what he did to Takkam , but is knocking on now and would be there for the money only. For me it’s the 3 of them and Usyk , possibly after a couple of fights with lesser heavyweights. Good fights coming though. AJ for me. I like your listings....exciting times. Joyce gave Usyk a competitive fight and is up there in the mix for a title if he isn't avoided......I think he could beat Wilder mainly because he has an iron jaw.....but that's probably why Wilder would never fight him. If he gets the Ortiz fight and wins he could fight for the mandatory. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Dec 18 8.26pm

Originally posted by Casual

Usyk is 6 ft 3 and by far the best boxer, although he’s not strong enough to stop any of them , but I bet he punches as hard as fury and is elusive.
Pulev isn’t good enough.
I’d beat miller Left handed.
Ortiz is 74.
Parker doesn’t start throwing his hands until the last 30seconds in the 12th.
Brazealle, Martin etc are all two Bob.
Hughie fury isn’t good enough.
Dubois/ Gorman are too raw, and a few years away, if they ever get there.
Joyce really isn’t very good, too slow and trying to be fast tracked due to his age.
Poverkin has been decent, but coming down the hill, rather than going up it.
Whyte is a level below them 3, but could trouble them if he landed.
As could Chisora , after what he did to Takkam , but is knocking on now and would be there for the money only.
For me it’s the 3 of them and Usyk , possibly after a couple of fights with lesser heavyweights.

Good fights coming though.
AJ for me.

I like your listings....exciting times.

Joyce gave Usyk a competitive fight and is up there in the mix for a title if he isn't avoided......I think he could beat Wilder mainly because he has an iron jaw.....but that's probably why Wilder would never fight him.

If he gets the Ortiz fight and wins he could fight for the mandatory.

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chris123 hove actually 07 Dec 18 9.13pm
Looks like a rematch has been sanctioned.
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hove actually 07 Dec 18 9.13pm

Looks like a rematch has been sanctioned.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 07 Dec 18 9.20pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Noises from the Warren camp that AJ will be fighting a wild card in AJ’s booker date at Wembley. So Fury v Wilder first it’ll be then. If AJ beats that winner I’d like to see him fight the loser after as well, but you know he won’t. His camp will probably delay the fight vs the winner for a while anyway. There should be more blatant calling out of this ducking to maximise guaranteed earnings bollox. To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone. Considering hes only had 22 pro fights I would say his resume is outstanding. Until Fury drew with Wilder no one was calling for AJ Fury. The fight everyone wanted was Wilder and from my understanding it was Wilder who didn't sign the contract. I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans! "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 07 Dec 18 9.20pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Noises from the Warren camp that AJ will be fighting a wild card in AJ’s booker date at Wembley. So Fury v Wilder first it’ll be then. If AJ beats that winner I’d like to see him fight the loser after as well, but you know he won’t. His camp will probably delay the fight vs the winner for a while anyway. There should be more blatant calling out of this ducking to maximise guaranteed earnings bollox.

To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone.

Considering hes only had 22 pro fights I would say his resume is outstanding. Until Fury drew with Wilder no one was calling for AJ Fury.

The fight everyone wanted was Wilder and from my understanding it was Wilder who didn't sign the contract.

I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans!

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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youngpalacefan111 07 Dec 18 9.38pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Noises from the Warren camp that AJ will be fighting a wild card in AJ’s booker date at Wembley. So Fury v Wilder first it’ll be then. If AJ beats that winner I’d like to see him fight the loser after as well, but you know he won’t. His camp will probably delay the fight vs the winner for a while anyway. There should be more blatant calling out of this ducking to maximise guaranteed earnings bollox. Yes your right, AJ is the ducker out of the three. His resume is only better than Wilder and Furys combined in half the fights.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes your right, AJ is the ducker out of the three. His resume is only better than Wilder and Furys combined in half the fights.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Dec 18 9.44pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone. Considering hes only had 22 pro fights I would say his resume is outstanding. Until Fury drew with Wilder no one was calling for AJ Fury. The fight everyone wanted was Wilder and from my understanding it was Wilder who didn't sign the contract. I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans! It’s what the managers have in their plans that often decide what happens. A sport focused on money. Now where else has that damaged a sport for all fans. Hopefully we’ll see some great fights we expect to for a change, and over a period of time. COYP
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Caterham 07 Dec 18 9.44pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone.

I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans!

It’s what the managers have in their plans that often decide what happens. A sport focused on money. Now where else has that damaged a sport for all fans.

Hopefully we’ll see some great fights we expect to for a change, and over a period of time.

COYP

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Pussay Patrol 07 Dec 18 10.32pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone. Considering hes only had 22 pro fights I would say his resume is outstanding. Until Fury drew with Wilder no one was calling for AJ Fury. The fight everyone wanted was Wilder and from my understanding it was Wilder who didn't sign the contract. I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans! I think AJ demanded a 60/40 purse Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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07 Dec 18 10.32pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

To be fair I don't think AJ can be accused of ducking anyone.

I think the next few years are going to be fantastic for boxing fans!

I think AJ demanded a 60/40 purse

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 Dec 18 8.16am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol I think AJ demanded a 60/40 purse If true I don't blame AJ. For decades British fighters have had to take smaller purses and concede home advantage to American opponents. For once the boot is on the other foot. AJ has the most titles and can fill Wembley stadium. Wilder is not a big name in the USA and the only time he got mobbed was in the UK when he came to see Fury fight. On that basis AJ should get the bigger purse. One more point
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Beckenham 08 Dec 18 8.16am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think AJ demanded a 60/40 purse

If true I don't blame AJ. For decades British fighters have had to take smaller purses and concede home advantage to American opponents. For once the boot is on the other foot. AJ has the most titles and can fill Wembley stadium. Wilder is not a big name in the USA and the only time he got mobbed was in the UK when he came to see Fury fight.

On that basis AJ should get the bigger purse.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 08 Dec 18 8.44am
60/40 purse.....that is way too generous. For fighters and its industry boxing is about money....first, second and third.....belts are only a method of upping that price.....If they weren't there would only be one per division. Now, AJ draws far far more PPV numbers than Wilder does......He first and only PPV against Fury had 320, 000 PPV buys and about 20, thousand in attendance. AJ has been a PPV star for five or six fights and has gone over a million PPV buys and gets 80, 000 plus attending his fights. The revenue AJ brings in doesn't even come close......So Wilder doesn't deserve 40 percent because all he brings is one belt and limited pulling power in comparison. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

08 Dec 18 8.44am

60/40 purse.....that is way too generous.

For fighters and its industry boxing is about money....first, second and third.....belts are only a method of upping that price.....If they weren't there would only be one per division.

Now, AJ draws far far more PPV numbers than Wilder does......He first and only PPV against Fury had 320, 000 PPV buys and about 20, thousand in attendance.

AJ has been a PPV star for five or six fights and has gone over a million PPV buys and gets 80, 000 plus attending his fights.

The revenue AJ brings in doesn't even come close......So Wilder doesn't deserve 40 percent because all he brings is one belt and limited pulling power in comparison.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 18 10.37am
Originally posted by youngpalacefan111 Yes your right, AJ is the ducker out of the three. His resume is only better than Wilder and Furys combined in half the fights. No. He just wasn't going to be suckered into a fight in America where he would be cheated out of his belts. A wise decision.
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111

Yes your right, AJ is the ducker out of the three. His resume is only better than Wilder and Furys combined in half the fights.

No. He just wasn't going to be suckered into a fight in America where he would be cheated out of his belts. A wise decision.

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Casual Orpington 08 Dec 18 12.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 60/40 purse.....that is way too generous. For fighters and its industry boxing is about money....first, second and third.....belts are only a method of upping that price.....If they weren't there would only be one per division. Now, AJ draws far far more PPV numbers than Wilder does......He first and only PPV against Fury had 320, 000 PPV buys and about 20, thousand in attendance. AJ has been a PPV star for five or six fights and has gone over a million PPV buys and gets 80, 000 plus attending his fights. The revenue AJ brings in doesn't even come close......So Wilder doesn't deserve 40 percent because all he brings is one belt and limited pulling power in comparison. All true. AJ could have a fight with an Asda security guard and he’d sell 80000 tickets . I reckon a fair split for him and Wilder would be 80/20 and 70/30 for fury. Ward doesn’t earn as much as Zaha for a reason. Joshua has had 22 fights and fought - an unbeaten whyte, who beat him in the amateurs -an unbeaten and fancied Parker -a dangerous Klitschko that had just been beaten by fury, so he had to win -povetkin, decent fighter -Takam at short notice Fury’s spent 3 years on the packet and brassing and Wilder wanted him to sign for a fight without seeing the contract, who’s he meant to have ducked?
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Orpington 08 Dec 18 12.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

60/40 purse.....that is way too generous.

For fighters and its industry boxing is about money....first, second and third.....belts are only a method of upping that price.....If they weren't there would only be one per division.

Now, AJ draws far far more PPV numbers than Wilder does......He first and only PPV against Fury had 320, 000 PPV buys and about 20, thousand in attendance.

AJ has been a PPV star for five or six fights and has gone over a million PPV buys and gets 80, 000 plus attending his fights.

The revenue AJ brings in doesn't even come close......So Wilder doesn't deserve 40 percent because all he brings is one belt and limited pulling power in comparison.

All true. AJ could have a fight with an Asda security guard and he’d sell 80000 tickets . I reckon a fair split for him and Wilder would be 80/20 and 70/30 for fury.
Ward doesn’t earn as much as Zaha for a reason.

Joshua has had 22 fights and fought
- an unbeaten whyte, who beat him in the amateurs
-an unbeaten and fancied Parker
-a dangerous Klitschko that had just been beaten by fury, so he had to win
-povetkin, decent fighter
-Takam at short notice

Fury’s spent 3 years on the packet and brassing and Wilder wanted him to sign for a fight without seeing the contract, who’s he meant to have ducked?

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Stirlingsays 08 Dec 18 1.08pm
Originally posted by Casual All true. AJ could have a fight with an Asda security guard and he’d sell 80000 tickets . I reckon a fair split for him and Wilder would be 80/20 and 70/30 for fury. Ward doesn’t earn as much as Zaha for a reason. Joshua has had 22 fights and fought - an unbeaten whyte, who beat him in the amateurs -an unbeaten and fancied Parker -a dangerous Klitschko that had just been beaten by fury, so he had to win -povetkin, decent fighter -Takam at short notice Fury’s spent 3 years on the packet and brassing and Wilder wanted him to sign for a fight without seeing the contract, who’s he meant to have ducked? Excepting throwing his belt into the bin, Wilder is doing his best Riddick Bowe impression. Fury is trying to earn as much money as he can before he balloons back to to thirty five stone and dies in a crackhouse surround by hoes. He said recently that he's giving all his purse away to charity......Fury's track record on telling the truth is so bad that he makes used car salesman look like moral custodians. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Dec 18 1.08pm

Originally posted by Casual

Fury’s spent 3 years on the packet and brassing and Wilder wanted him to sign for a fight without seeing the contract, who’s he meant to have ducked?

Excepting throwing his belt into the bin, Wilder is doing his best Riddick Bowe impression.

Fury is trying to earn as much money as he can before he balloons back to to thirty five stone and dies in a crackhouse surround by hoes.

He said recently that he's giving all his purse away to charity......Fury's track record on telling the truth is so bad that he makes used car salesman look like moral custodians.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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rikz Croydon 09 Dec 18 2.16pm
We all know boxing is a business but when fans start trying to justify fights not getting made due to, a side b side, politics and whatever, is when we might aswell call it a day. Unless you're fighting, promoting or receiving any kind of payment from the event then as fans all we should do is demand the best fight the best. Yeah it's a business but a business they need the public to buy into. All three have made more than enough already. now it's down to fans to constantly put pressure on the promoters to make the fights. To be fair to aj I think he's pretty game and would go in with either fury or wilder and obviously Hearn being a promoter he would be stupid to risk his cash cow. But as a boxing fan all I care about is them fighting each other. Fury is in a pretty strong position now tho and if I was him I'd look at taking step aside money with first dibs on the winner, let wilder and Joshua fight for all the belts, have another fight in the meantime giving himself even more time to get in shape then late next year he will have either a massive rematch for all the belts or the biggest British fight of all time. He can't really lose.
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Croydon 09 Dec 18 2.16pm

We all know boxing is a business but when fans start trying to justify fights not getting made due to, a side b side, politics and whatever, is when we might aswell call it a day. Unless you're fighting, promoting or receiving any kind of payment from the event then as fans all we should do is demand the best fight the best. Yeah it's a business but a business they need the public to buy into. All three have made more than enough already. now it's down to fans to constantly put pressure on the promoters to make the fights.

To be fair to aj I think he's pretty game and would go in with either fury or wilder and obviously Hearn being a promoter he would be stupid to risk his cash cow. But as a boxing fan all I care about is them fighting each other.

Fury is in a pretty strong position now tho and if I was him I'd look at taking step aside money with first dibs on the winner, let wilder and Joshua fight for all the belts, have another fight in the meantime giving himself even more time to get in shape then late next year he will have either a massive rematch for all the belts or the biggest British fight of all time. He can't really lose.

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