Raheem Sterling
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Pussay Patrol  10 Dec 18 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Gary Linekar stopped the normal football commentary, paused, frowned studiously and seemed to make it clear that the blokes who chanted something hateful at a football match will be sent to Guantanamo to get waterboarded and they will never again feel safe walking down the street. the BBC love opportunities to enjoy the moral high-ground. If you call Eric C..ntona a french c...nt , does that make you prejudiced or is it allowed cos he is french and is a c...nt ?
Edited by PalazioVecchio (10 Dec 2018 11.41am) So is your response to throw a bit of what of whataboutery in the mix to somehow condone a little racism in the game? No form of abuse should be tolerated
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 Stuk  Top half 10 Dec 18 2.33pm |
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It seems that since the "Out Of Their Skin" documentary was shown recently, which I highly recommend to anyone who hasn't seen it, that it has reawakened some of these morons with this and the incident at Arsenal the week before. I find it ridiculous enough that fans see fit to spit vitriol and throw the w***er signs etc at someone of the opposite team just for having the temerity to go and take a corner kick but these people are in the dark ages.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Dec 18 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Gary Linekar stopped the normal football commentary, paused, frowned studiously and seemed to make it clear that the blokes who chanted something hateful at a football match will be sent to Guantanamo to get waterboarded and they will never again feel safe walking down the street. the BBC love opportunities to enjoy the moral high-ground. If you call Eric C..ntona a french c...nt , does that make you prejudiced or is it allowed cos he is french and is a c...nt ?
Edited by PalazioVecchio (10 Dec 2018 11.41am) I suspect that if you asked the majority of footballers if they’d rather receive a bad tackle or be racially abused, they’d opt for the bad tackle... Staggering that you don’t apparently see the Sterling incident as much of a problem.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Dec 18 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Lip readers are actually at odds as to whether the culprit called Sterling 'a Manc c...' or a black one, which is not surprising as even skilled lip readers can misunderstand. However....... When you see the photos of Block B when the opposition are taking a corner there, just how different do they look from that Chelsea photo? I know they are not shouting racist abuse at SP, but there's not that much difference in their facial expressions and gesticulations either. I don’t think there is much disagreement over what was said.. The comparisons to Block B are just bizarre; the issue is not this Chelsea fans facial expressions or gesticulations, it’s the fact that he racially abused someone.
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| Pussay Patrol 10 Dec 18 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I suspect that if you asked the majority of footballers if they’d rather receive a bad tackle or be racially abused, they’d opt for the bad tackle... Staggering that you don’t apparently see the Sterling incident as much of a problem. Well its something that's become more and more prevalent on this forum, people defending racism or at the very least sitting on the fence rather than total condemnation, what's the angle trying to defend the indefensible? That we should somehow turn a blind eye? Or maybe because they are paid so much there must be some balance? I'd love to know
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 becky over the moon 10 Dec 18 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don’t think there is much disagreement over what was said.. The comparisons to Block B are just bizarre; the issue is not this Chelsea fans facial expressions or gesticulations, it’s the fact that he racially abused someone. I made the comment about Block B as a lot of the press reports and comments are also talking about the fact that there was a row of middle aged men hurling all sorts of abuse (including the racial one)at Sterling in particular and players in general, and that this has been the case in football for a long time. Now no way do I condone racial abuse, it has absolutely no place in football (or anywhere else for that matter), but there seems also to be a condemnation in these articles of ANY sort of abuse towards players, which is what set me off thinking about SP. I don't know exactly what the HF shout at the opposition when they come to take a corner, but Palace Talk has threads where there is much emphasis put on our 'atmosphere' and SP being 'an intimidating place to come to' and a few references to players taking corners being given a hard time, and watching on a stream as I do every match, you get some great shots of Block B, and you know what - yup, there may not be racial abuse going on, but some of the facial expressions and arm gesticulations look very much the same as those seen in the video of the Sterling incident. The question I'm asking (myself and anyone else) is where does passion and making an intimidating atmosphere for the opposition players stop and player abuse begin?
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| Tawny Croydon 10 Dec 18 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by thechaddyboy
Clear enough images of all 3 of them so a lifetime ban would be the ideal solution They should receive nothing less.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Dec 18 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by becky
I made the comment about Block B as a lot of the press reports and comments are also talking about the fact that there was a row of middle aged men hurling all sorts of abuse (including the racial one)at Sterling in particular and players in general, and that this has been the case in football for a long time. Now no way do I condone racial abuse, it has absolutely no place in football (or anywhere else for that matter), but there seems also to be a condemnation in these articles of ANY sort of abuse towards players, which is what set me off thinking about SP. I don't know exactly what the HF shout at the opposition when they come to take a corner, but Palace Talk has threads where there is much emphasis put on our 'atmosphere' and SP being 'an intimidating place to come to' and a few references to players taking corners being given a hard time, and watching on a stream as I do every match, you get some great shots of Block B, and you know what - yup, there may not be racial abuse going on, but some of the facial expressions and arm gesticulations look very much the same as those seen in the video of the Sterling incident. The question I'm asking (myself and anyone else) is where does passion and making an intimidating atmosphere for the opposition players stop and player abuse begin? Saw some nasty personal (oral) attacks by our 'fans' at Brighton which made me deeply ashamed. Also saw coins thrown. Can't say I have seen any such thing at SP, just boos and usually only then because someone has done something specific during the game or in the recent past.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Dec 18 6.07pm |
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I think Sterling upset people by appearing to have more ability than he has ever fully delivered. Made people wonder if he was a bit up himself and not prepared to put in the right kind of work. That seems to be changing, he has impressed more recently. But then I think some people impute reasons for his perceived lack of delivery and link it to their own prejudices. I do agree that the media has pandered to that, he was an itch they always liked to scratch. Not helped by the immense stupidity of getting 'that' tattoo. It was a brave thing indeed for him to go into the media so directly, well done him. But IMO the way e.g. Clarke Carlisle used this on the TV and had a pop at Piers Morgan this morning is either representative of a very angry man or is self-serving. There is no point trying to drive a wedge between people, we need to take everyone on the journey not find ways to talk down to them, make them feel guilty and alienate them. Mind you, you just have to look at Piers Morgan to feel like punching him.
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| Spiderman Horsham 10 Dec 18 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Lip readers are actually at odds as to whether the culprit called Sterling 'a Manc c...' or a black one, which is not surprising as even skilled lip readers can misunderstand. However....... When you see the photos of Block B when the opposition are taking a corner there, just how different do they look from that Chelsea photo? I know they are not shouting racist abuse at SP, but there's not that much difference in their facial expressions and gesticulations either. This is nothing to do with your dislike of the HF is it, Becky?
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| DanH SW2 10 Dec 18 7.20pm |
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John Barnes spoke about this extremely articulately on BBC Breakfast this morning.
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| chris123 hove actually 10 Dec 18 7.43pm |
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Originally posted by becky
I made the comment about Block B as a lot of the press reports and comments are also talking about the fact that there was a row of middle aged men hurling all sorts of abuse (including the racial one)at Sterling in particular and players in general, and that this has been the case in football for a long time. Now no way do I condone racial abuse, it has absolutely no place in football (or anywhere else for that matter), but there seems also to be a condemnation in these articles of ANY sort of abuse towards players, which is what set me off thinking about SP. I don't know exactly what the HF shout at the opposition when they come to take a corner, but Palace Talk has threads where there is much emphasis put on our 'atmosphere' and SP being 'an intimidating place to come to' and a few references to players taking corners being given a hard time, and watching on a stream as I do every match, you get some great shots of Block B, and you know what - yup, there may not be racial abuse going on, but some of the facial expressions and arm gesticulations look very much the same as those seen in the video of the Sterling incident. The question I'm asking (myself and anyone else) is where does passion and making an intimidating atmosphere for the opposition players stop and player abuse begin? The bench mark should be the same level of abuse the players dish out to the refs.
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