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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 18 12.27pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Medway Eagle


Willo. that's what I mean, Its an equal playing field as far as the financial constraints are concerned for Premier league clubs. Many of a similar size or smaller. I don't see any of them blaming this for poor transfer dealings. I wish we had Mike Ashley that's how poorly I rate SP, nice guy but not up to this level

I cannot speak for other PL clubs as I am not au fait with the precise details of their overall financial situation, so I am unable to assert what constraints they are working under and the relative constraints of individual clubs.Finances can be highly complex ! I doubt however there is a 'Level playing field'. To be fair,CPFC are not using 'Financial constraints' as an excuse.

Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2018 12.35pm)

 

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chateauferret Flag 10 Dec 18 12.47pm

Originally posted by Willo

I cannot speak for other PL clubs as I am not au fait with the precise details of their overall financial situation, so I am unable to assert what constraints they are working under and the relative constraints of individual clubs.Finances can be highly complex ! I doubt however there is a 'Level playing field'. To be fair,CPFC are not using 'Financial constraints' as an excuse.

Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2018 12.35pm)

Good players cost a lot of money and whilst there are swings (Wan-Bissaka, Meyer, Guaita) and roundabouts (any number of muppets we have signed) in the long run you get what you pay for.

 


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chateauferret Flag 10 Dec 18 12.51pm

Originally posted by Painter

The reason is simple, we have signed mediocre players on ridiculous high wages. Look at our wage structure compared to other clubs around us. That in a nutshell why we can’t spend money now on transfers.

Zat right?

I would've thought capital expenditure and revene expenditure were two different things and the problem with the wage bill is not that it stops us making money available for fees, but that it stops us making money available for wages, and that in turn means not only can we not sign players with high transfer fees; it means we can't sign anyone. Unless of course we can dispose of Mutch, Puncheon, and so forth. That we would only get a few million in fees for such players isn't so much the isdue; more that we don't have to keep feeding them.

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 10 Dec 18 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

To be fair,CPFC are not using 'Financial constraints' as an excuse.

In my best pantomime voice "oh yes they are"

 

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View jpegnall's Profile jpegnall Flag Surrey 10 Dec 18 1.01pm Send a Private Message to jpegnall Add jpegnall as a friend

We made a huge investment in Benteke and we've been burnt. I remember his solo goal against us for Villa and thinking at the time, this is what we have needed for years. SP and co invested and delivered the guy most of us thought was the perfect fit. He still could be if he was half the player he could be. The catch is we can't even shift him unless he demonstrates some ability to find the net, at the moment he can't even be trusted to score a penalty.

A state of the art machine gun is no good without bullets. We have no striker who can score goals, we have no bullets. If we can sort that out I think the pressure will be taken off the rest of the squad - players are being played out of position to compensate for our weaknesses up front.

In perspective I feel we have to play like a top 10 team in midfield to score a goal - then we need to play out of our skin to cling onto the win in this league. Everything we do is limited by our lack of firepower and it is taking us down.

SP gave us Benteke, unfortunately we got burnt, it happens in football. They will need to deliver again. We've always been on borrowed time with Zaha (amazed he is still with us to be honest), and it is a joke we haven't used the time with him dragging us up to build a big stable squad around him so when he finally goes (or gets injured) we are able to win games still.

I'm not a huge Hodgson fan, but I can't see anyone else doing much better with this squad - which is stupid because we have some incredible talent and even WH is playing well.

The board has failed us in my view, they have had so much time to give us stability. Just classic palace, just enough to give us hope of a big future but still little enough to ensure we can only just about muddle through with our deficiencies and enjoy a relegation battle every year.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Tez's Profile Tez Flag Epsom 10 Dec 18 1.36pm Send a Private Message to Tez Add Tez as a friend

I am tempted like many to blame the board, but realistically we have spent money since being promoted and quite a lot of it.

The problem is, Parish has backed managers who sadly have not always got it right, is that his fault? If he hadn't backed them and refused to sanction signings then he'd be blamed for not backing the manager in the transfer window (like he is now). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

De Boer wanted Riedewald, who now can't get near our starting 11. Pardew wanted Wickham who is permanently injured, Big Sam wanted Schlupp who was probably the best available cover at left back at the time but who is now overpaid and not very good. Finally Hodgson wanted Sorloth who is seemingly allergic to the opposition's goal and who he never gives any real chances to anyway.

The position we're in now, I do feel is more due to management. Our opposition knows the starting 11, the formation and the tactics before a ball has been kicked. Hodgson's refusal to try anything new is killing us and whilst we are f***ed by not having fit strikers, 4-4-2 with wingers up front is not working and we should try something else.

EDIT - One thing I will agree is totally the fault of the board is the general infrastructure at the club, I believe our 'scouting system' is virtually non existent and we don't have anyone decent (read: not Dougie Freedman) in the Director of Football role.

Edited by Tez (10 Dec 2018 1.38pm)

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 10 Dec 18 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tez

I am tempted like many to blame the board, but realistically we have spent money since being promoted and quite a lot of it.

The problem is, Parish has backed managers who sadly have not always got it right, is that his fault? If he hadn't backed them and refused to sanction signings then he'd be blamed for not backing the manager in the transfer window (like he is now). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

De Boer wanted Riedewald, who now can't get near our starting 11. Pardew wanted Wickham who is permanently injured, Big Sam wanted Schlupp who was probably the best available cover at left back at the time but who is now overpaid and not very good. Finally Hodgson wanted Sorloth who is seemingly allergic to the opposition's goal and who he never gives any real chances to anyway.

The position we're in now, I do feel is more due to management. Our opposition knows the starting 11, the formation and the tactics before a ball has been kicked. Hodgson's refusal to try anything new is killing us and whilst we are f***ed by not having fit strikers, 4-4-2 with wingers up front is not working and we should try something else.

EDIT - One thing I will agree is totally the fault of the board is the general infrastructure at the club, I believe our 'scouting system' is virtually non existent and we don't have anyone decent (read: not Dougie Freedman) in the Director of Football role.

Edited by Tez (10 Dec 2018 1.38pm)

Freedman has no experience or justification for having the role except he is a yes man.

FDB had no business being our manager whatsoever.

Common denominator is both hired by the same boss.

We are financially constrained, and it is Parish’s fault. That’s how money works. Spend too much and you run out.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 10 Dec 18 2.59pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

We do so many fans answer seem to be spend spend spend. He's only on about 3 million a year to manage something like the 15th best paid squad in world football.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 10 Dec 18 4.48pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

There are reports on here, that Reideweld played for the U23s in the week and was terrible looked unfit and overweight. None of us watch the players train, quite obviously none impress to push for a starting place.

If Riedewald had been given a proper shake maybe he would give a sh&t and wouldnt be overweight.

He came through at Ajax - they have a world class youth system and generate a lot of very good footballers.

When he got a shot he was the best player for us against Man City last year.

I am not watching the training sessions, but that doesnt mean that RH always makes the best decisions when he picks the team.

The handling of Sorloth has been very poor aswell, he was guaranteed to fail with 30 mins here and there. If you are going to say a player is good enough to sign, then give him a fair chance.

Sometimes you have to take a chance and trust a player's pedigree. Riedewald came through at one of the truly elite acamedies in world football, and he is not good enough to warm our bench ahead of Puncheon?

 


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View Ali_Campbell's Profile Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 10 Dec 18 5.15pm Send a Private Message to Ali_Campbell Add Ali_Campbell as a friend

Unless I miss something;

Post war figures;

Second highest finish ever - 10th - 2014-2015
Third highest finish ever - 11th - 2013-2014 & 2017-2018

Highest ever profit recorded - 23.4m 2014

Profit recorded last year - 12.8m

FA cup finalists 2016

Seems as if the board are doing a pretty good job going by the last 70 years. 2nd and 3rd highest finishes. Only to be eclipsed by the one off season in 1988. Most revenue. Our second ever cup final.

Do you think our expectations are perhaps too high going by our history?

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 10 Dec 18 5.28pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Well said that man. Expectations appear to be that we should be like say Everton by now. We are punching above our weight for a reasonably small club and managing our budget is probably far harder than for many other teams in this division. You only have to look at Newcastle to understand that there is no entitlement to sit at the top of the top table. If it were simply down to bums on seats and gate income then they would be right up there consistently with the top 6.

I agree that we should be seen to be progressing, but however well we do there will always be those that complain that we should be doing better.

I’m just happy being a Palace fan because I might have to watch some s***e at times but I know that for a portion of the season at least, we will play like Barcelona.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 18 5.37pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Ali_Campbell

Unless I miss something;

Post war figures;

Second highest finish ever - 10th - 2014-2015
Third highest finish ever - 11th - 2013-2014 & 2017-2018

Highest ever profit recorded - 23.4m 2014

Profit recorded last year - 12.8m

FA cup finalists 2016

Seems as if the board are doing a pretty good job going by the last 70 years. 2nd and 3rd highest finishes. Only to be eclipsed by the one off season in 1988. Most revenue. Our second ever cup final.

Do you think our expectations are perhaps too high going by our history?

I am only 66 so haven't been supporting for 70 years !

I have however been a fervent supporter since the 60s and remember the days when we were in Division Three playing in front of gates of 6,000. I have supported through thick and thin and my word there have been grim times.Where we are now in the PL is far removed from those days but supporters still have the right to express their displeasure as they have done vociferously for many years !

Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2018 5.43pm)

 

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