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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 31 Dec 18 8.36pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Long gone are the days when a manager used to traverse miles in all climes to watch a player before driving several miles back home in the dark after an evening match.

Scouting has been transformed in this modern era with technology at the forefront providing data led analysis and information.Clubs deal in global markets with some clubs concentrating on major leagues with software analytics company StatDNA being used to drive moneyball principles.Wyscout,Scout7 etc etc are used to identify a plethora of players, indeed Southampton have identified 20 players for each position before whittling this down to 3 or 4.

The manager will liaise with his recruitment team who will scour the software to match his requirements and carry out further analysis if necessary to identify possible targets.He might of course have certain targets in mind.Then of course the ardous task is to get these 'Over the line' and I am led to believe this whole process can be extremely protracted, frustrating and in the end disappointing if the target is not acquired.Financial constraints of course play their part and unrealistic targets are not pursued.

Edited by Willo (31 Dec 2018 1.02pm)

I’m sure Dougie is on the case to sort us out a Ukrainian with a limp!

 

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View maddog's Profile maddog Flag Wiltshire 01 Jan 19 11.19am Send a Private Message to maddog Add maddog as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

Rubbish, Its perfectly legal and above board to negotiiate with a club and a player outside of the transfer window. In some circumstances its even possisible to draw up a pre contract agreement with both so that the deal is done the minute the window opens.
It is extremely naive to think everyone just watches the clock while scanning their Panini albums until the window opens

That was actually my point. People seem to get very upset that the board 'wait' to sign players as if this means they are inactive. It's a negotiation process so preparation, timing and confidentiality are key to success.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 01 Jan 19 12.09pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by maddog

That was actually my point. People seem to get very upset that the board 'wait' to sign players as if this means they are inactive. It's a negotiation process so preparation, timing and confidentiality are key to success.

Sometimes seems that most other clubs get their business done earlier than us...maybe they 'negotiate' better/quicker. I can understand waiting until the ladt minute to try and get a better deal. But sometimes it would be wiser, particularly in january, to bite thd bullet and get a player wd need In early.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 19 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by maddog

That was actually my point. People seem to get very upset that the board 'wait' to sign players as if this means they are inactive. It's a negotiation process so preparation, timing and confidentiality are key to success.

I wholly endorse these sentiments.

Transfer negotiations can be highly complex with clubs in competition with others and the whole process can be very convoluted and protracted and ultimately can result in a very disappointing conclusion.A great deal of activity goes on behind the scenes which supporters are not aware of.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 01 Jan 19 12.22pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I wholly endorse these sentiments.

Transfer negotiations can be highly complex with clubs in competition with others and the whole process can be very convoluted and protracted and ultimately can result in a very disappointing conclusion.A great deal of activity goes on behind the scenes which supporters are not aware of.

Any reason these complex negotiations can't be conducted before the window opens? Not having a go, just intetested.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 01 Jan 19 12.29pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by maddog

That was actually my point. People seem to get very upset that the board 'wait' to sign players as if this means they are inactive. It's a negotiation process so preparation, timing and confidentiality are key to success.

We have 5 matches during the transfer window. Leaving it until the last minute could be a very bad move. If roy goes to form, he won't put new players straight into the team. So you could be looking at mid Feb before any new signings are up and running. ...

Edited by spartakev2 (01 Jan 2019 12.30pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 19 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2


Any reason these complex negotiations can't be conducted before the window opens? Not having a go, just intetested.

Negotiations don't always commence when the window opens.
There are so many factors involved with dialogue between various parties and one can 'Tear one's hair' out on occasions.

I never assume that a lack of inward transfer activity is attributable to a lack of effort and drive behind the scenes.

 

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View Booted Eagle's Profile Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 01 Jan 19 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

I’m sure Dougie is on the case to sort us out a Ukrainian with a limp!

Legdropov ?

 


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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 01 Jan 19 1.20pm Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

We have 5 matches during the transfer window. Leaving it until the last minute could be a very bad move. If roy goes to form, he won't put new players straight into the team. So you could be looking at mid Feb before any new signings are up and running. ...

Edited by spartakev2 (01 Jan 2019 12.30pm)

This will be frustratingly and undoubtedly be the case

 

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View maddog's Profile maddog Flag Wiltshire 02 Jan 19 2.30pm Send a Private Message to maddog Add maddog as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

Sometimes seems that most other clubs get their business done earlier than us...maybe they 'negotiate' better/quicker. I can understand waiting until the ladt minute to try and get a better deal. But sometimes it would be wiser, particularly in january, to bite thd bullet and get a player wd need In early.

I agree that there is usually an urgency involved in getting January signings. Urgency is a weakness when you are negotiating. That is probably why CPFC's strategy seems often to be to 'wait' until the selling club face a similar urgency induced by the closing transfer window. I don't know if that's a good strategy* but it is a strategy not laziness as some suggest.


* the date in the name of the company "CPFC 2010" is evidence that it has some merit.

Edited by maddog (02 Jan 2019 2.30pm)

 

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View Booted Eagle's Profile Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 02 Jan 19 3.34pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by maddog

I agree that there is usually an urgency involved in getting January signings. Urgency is a weakness when you are negotiating. That is probably why CPFC's strategy seems often to be to 'wait' until the selling club face a similar urgency induced by the closing transfer window. I don't know if that's a good strategy* but it is a strategy not laziness as some suggest.


* the date in the name of the company "CPFC 2010" is evidence that it has some merit.

Edited by maddog (02 Jan 2019 2.30pm)

If you have the buying power you can do what you like. Chelski have just signed a 20 year old for £58 million and loaned him back to the same club. The bottom line is the dosh. Our targets are different but still trying to get players over the line without that pull isn't easy.

Edited by Booted Eagle (02 Jan 2019 3.36pm)

 


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Originally posted by Booted Eagle

If you have the buying power you can do what you like. Chelski have just signed a 20 year old for £58 million and loaned him back to the same club. The bottom line is the dosh. Our targets are different but still trying to get players over the line without that pull isn't easy.

Edited by Booted Eagle (02 Jan 2019 3.36pm)

I don't think Spurs have been too badly affected with their no activities in bringing players in and judging by our performances although inconsistent with actual results I personally see no real reason to bring anyone in at all.

 

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