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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 18 Jan 19 1.48pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Roy is directly responsible for setting the team up, directing training and instructing the coaching.

Therefore, he is directly responsible for the lack of ability of top, top players being unable to convert chances.

Edited by ChrisGC (18 Jan 2019 12.13am)

Could you blame your driving instructor for you having an accident.

This is the same logic, as strikers missing as Roy coached them.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 18 Jan 19 1.55pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I have been disappointed with aspects of Hodgson’s management this season e.g the negativity for certain home games, the lack of tactical changes and the delay in reacting to what is happening during games.
However, I do have some sympathy with him having just watched today’s press conference.
Although he didn’t complain about it, he doesn’t seem to have much of a clue of what is happening in this transfer window.
Now he could be a good actor, but he seemed genuinely in the dark as if this is an area that’s outside his remit.
I’m bemused why he’s not more involved and why resources are not being made available.
Some will say it’s a negotiating tactic and that Hodgson doesn’t want the club to show its hand but I feel that he’s not being backed ( same as last January and to an extent in the summer).

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 18 Jan 19 2.05pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

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Another piece just released this morning showing how much we're underachieving. Oh yeah you can't criticise roy, from Croydon, speech impediment and an old man so he gets a free ride.

not sure about that shows us underachieving, but it does highlight how much we've drastically overcommitted on higher wages, leaving us with a crippling wage bill..

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jan 19 3.05pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Mathers

Not at all. I dont have a burning hatred of Hodgson at all i just think people need to wake up and realise we are in real danger of relegation this season. We cant just write off teams because they have had a bad 1st half to the season. West Brom were pretty much buried last season but still managed 11 points from the final 6 games so saying Fulham and Huddersfield are already gone is incredible naive.

Definitely not saying we should even contemplate the managerial dinosaurs- Hughes, Pardew, Allardyce, Pulis- but if we do slip closer to the relegation zone then changing the manager is likely to be the only option.

I would want Wilder(Sheff Utd), Rodgers (Celtic), Garcia (Marseille), Wenger (short term), Karanka (free) but its not my call.

I don't disagree with you that relegation is a possibility. We are, once again, in a relegation battle.

And yes, it's still possible that teams beneath us could pick up suddenly - I haven't written anyone off yet, it's too soon.


But we are not in a Pardew like downward spiral. In my view it would be a mistake to replace Hodgson at this time.


As for your suggestions as a replacement, I think it's your turn to have a dose of reality !

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 18 Jan 19 3.25pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

I find it amazing that we a constantly in a relegation battle. Lessons surely must have been learned - we have a good squad and although nothing is for granted there is something wrong in the set up. Roy is too negative at home. Attack! 8 defensive players at home is just not right. Have a go, encourage the players to express themselves, have no fear.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 18 Jan 19 3.28pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Roy is directly responsible for setting the team up, directing training and instructing the coaching.

Therefore, he is directly responsible for the lack of ability of top, top players being unable to convert chances.

Why can't we finish? Because it's not being drilled into the team. It is absolutely criminal that we had 30 odd chances Vs Burnley and converted 2.

There is plan A and plan.... A. Yes, there's not strength in depth in the squad, fair enough. That said, it is apparent that our players spend all week practicing more without the ball than with it. It's about structure and shape. Great base, but after all the missed chances surely, the emphasis should be on finishing? Just get the wingers to practice putting the ball in/ making the correct decision regarding shots Vs passing and have the strikers (whoever plays that role) working on creating space and finishing. Stay onside and in the box!!!!

A training game of headers and volleys wouldn't go a miss ffs.


Edited by ChrisGC (18 Jan 2019 12.13am)

Unless you have been doing a ' Bielsa ' I don't think you are qualified to comment on training practises.

You make it all sound so easy. It isn't. I played at a reasonable standard and coached teams for years after I stopped playing. So yes, you address the areas of weakness ( i.e. finishing in our case ) alongside the tactical stuff. And I've seen players score goals in training that they can only dream of replicating on a match day. Have a look at Palace TV and watch some of the goals scored in practise sessions. These are the same players that are missing chances come actual games..

Our conversion rate is a definite concern, but I would be more worried if we weren't creating chances at all.

Hodgson has not had the benefit of an out and out goalscorer worthy of the name at his disposal. And it looks increasingly like we are relying on Benteke to resolve that issue.

 


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michaelpearce Flag grays 18 Jan 19 5.33pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Unless you have been doing a ' Bielsa ' I don't think you are qualified to comment on training practises.

You make it all sound so easy. It isn't. I played at a reasonable standard and coached teams for years after I stopped playing. So yes, you address the areas of weakness ( i.e. finishing in our case ) alongside the tactical stuff. And I've seen players score goals in training that they can only dream of replicating on a match day. Have a look at Palace TV and watch some of the goals scored in practise sessions. These are the same players that are missing chances come actual games..

Our conversion rate is a definite concern, but I would be more worried if we weren't creating chances at all.

Hodgson has not had the benefit of an out and out goalscorer worthy of the name at his disposal. And it looks increasingly like we are relying on Benteke to resolve that issue.

yes he always looks down never up Chrisgc thinking, must of played a high standard of pub football,what happens in training sessions doesnt always work on match day no pressure on the training field, yes they do get paid shed loads, until you have played against them you find out they are worlds apart from us,yards quicker and faster thinking

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 18 Jan 19 5.51pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Unless you have been doing a ' Bielsa ' I don't think you are qualified to comment on training practises.

You make it all sound so easy. It isn't. I played at a reasonable standard and coached teams for years after I stopped playing. So yes, you address the areas of weakness ( i.e. finishing in our case ) alongside the tactical stuff. And I've seen players score goals in training that they can only dream of replicating on a match day. Have a look at Palace TV and watch some of the goals scored in practise sessions. These are the same players that are missing chances come actual games..

Our conversion rate is a definite concern, but I would be more worried if we weren't creating chances at all.

Hodgson has not had the benefit of an out and out goalscorer worthy of the name at his disposal. And it looks increasingly like we are relying on Benteke to resolve that issue.

Love this, "you're not qualified to comment, here's why my opinion is more valid"...
And you're less qualified than I am!

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 18 Jan 19 5.55pm

Originally posted by michaelpearce

yes he always looks down never up Chrisgc thinking, must of played a high standard of pub football,what happens in training sessions doesnt always work on match day no pressure on the training field, yes they do get paid shed loads, until you have played against them you find out they are worlds apart from us,yards quicker and faster thinking

This is incorrect. In every profession it is proven that the more you practice, the better you are under real conditions.

"The training kicked in" is usually the first line of every fire/police/contact report for a reason.

As for pub football, nothing wrong with that pickle. Not that I've ever played it mind you.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 18 Jan 19 6.01pm

Originally posted by Painter

Could you blame your driving instructor for you having an accident.

This is the same logic, as strikers missing as Roy coached them.

I don't understand this analogy.

If you practice hard and are prepared, you pass your driving test.

If you train hard, specifically on shooting, you will score goals.

The competence of the instructor is relevant to success in both instances.

Edited by ChrisGC (18 Jan 2019 6.02pm)

 

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jeeagles Flag 18 Jan 19 6.03pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Love this, "you're not qualified to comment, here's why my opinion is more valid"...
And you're less qualified than I am!

Haha, that’s why the internet is great. If you disagree I’ll belittle you at best or if all other arguments fail I’ll call you a nazi snowflake.

I was thinking about that how despite how many chances we had against Cardiff, Grimsby and Burnley many of them were just pot shots. Hence why we are only scoring stunners or penalties.

After one of the 2014 World Cup games, against Italy I think, Roy was asked if he was concerned about the number of shots England had against them. Roy said then that he wished there was a statistic that reported how many shots that worried him. At the moment, there aren’t many chances where we are actually looking like it’s a threat.

He just seems to keep us in a non threatening well drilled formation that suffers narrow defeats week in, week out.

 

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View CharlesPaterson's Profile CharlesPaterson Flag 18 Jan 19 6.08pm Send a Private Message to CharlesPaterson Add CharlesPaterson as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Our conversion rate is a definite concern, but I would be more worried if we weren't creating chances at all.


So you'd be happy to finish in the bottom 3 as long as we created enough chances..

As has been stated many times on various threads, the only stats that matter are the number of points..

And love him or hate him, his stats show that from these home fixtures: Southampton, Newcastle, Wolves, Cardiff, Watford we've picked up only 2 points!


 

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