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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 19 Jan 19 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

we both believe in meritocracy. I have strong conviction that a person who is heavily disadvantaged but 99.999999% matches the achievements of a highly privileged individual...the disadvantaged person should get the nod in an application for Oxbridge. And that is far more meritocratic than giving the Eton graduate the reward.

once you accept that premise...and you may not, that's your prerogative, the question becomes how flexible the system needs to be to accommodate the disadvantaged.

I think 1 or 2 percent is fair. but it's a fiendishly difficult thing to measure.

I went to a god awful school and everything I've achieved in life is in spite of it. same with all my school friends. it wasn't our fault we went there, or had our upbringings.

I'm sure many people will know the feeling...

Well, we are kind of back to where we were at the beginning.

I have sympathy for your intent but I think that once you accept the premises that you have....then essentially you have opened Pandora's box and the loonies won't let you close it again.....and that's what indeed what essentially already happened with affirmative action.

Indeed, I feel that I can criticise you for supporting this as it's this enabling at all levels which leads to lesser performing institutions and companies.

I'm fully behind social mobility for talented people at the bottom. However, that isn't what is happening......Instead of words like meritocracy I see the word equity.

Equity is the next step from the philosophy of equality. It leads to the very destruction of meritocracy.

That is what has been enabled.

 

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View Mr Fenandes's Profile Mr Fenandes Flag 19 Jan 19 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Mr Fenandes Add Mr Fenandes as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Left winger alert! Refusing to have the flag of your location on your profile. Ashamed to be English due to some weird guilt you have invented?

That's a really weird response

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 19 Jan 19 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Fenandes

That's a really weird response


I wouldn't say that.

The condition of 'white guilt' is quite common amongst a certain demographic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jan 2019 1.17pm)

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 19 Jan 19 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Fenandes

That's a really weird response

He's like Emily Thornberry who thinks the St George's flag makes you a racist or compliant. Why would you remove it? It was my idea to have flags programmed into the message board posts to indicate where fans are posting around the world.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Jan 19 1.58pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

He's like Emily Thornberry who thinks the St George's flag makes you a racist or compliant. Why would you remove it? It was my idea to have flags programmed into the message board posts to indicate where fans are posting around the world.

Maybe you should add a EU one Pengey ?

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 19 Jan 19 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Maybe you should add a EU one Pengey ?

f*** OFF!

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Jan 19 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

f*** OFF!

 


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steve1984 19 Jan 19 2.22pm

Originally posted by Mr Fenandes

That's a really weird response

This is basically a forum for people obsessed by flags.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 19 Jan 19 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steve1984

This is basically a forum for people obsessed by flags.

And hot dogs.

 

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View andyg's Profile andyg Flag york 19 Jan 19 3.42pm Send a Private Message to andyg Add andyg as a friend

The BBC article on this explained that the school has 5 members of staff who focus on helping students to get into university. (source: [Link] )

Many schools that puts this time, effort and money into getting kids into Oxbridge will do so - its about learning to 'play the game'. Private schools do this far better than state schools because they have the resources and experience. Its also a snowball effect where when you learn how to get kids in, that experience helps you with the next year etc.

I think some people are looking for controversy here when the solution is pretty simple

Edit: Sorry the closed bracket from my text got included in the link by mistake...

Edited by andyg (19 Jan 2019 4.24pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 19 Jan 19 4.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by andyg

The BBC article on this explained that the school has 5 members of staff who focus on helping students to get into university. (source: [Link]

Many schools that puts this time, effort and money into getting kids into Oxbridge will do so - its about learning to 'play the game'. Private schools do this far better than state schools because they have the resources and experience. Its also a snowball effect where when you learn how to get kids in, that experience helps you with the next year etc.

I think some people are looking for controversy here when the solution is pretty simple


Places like Oxbridge have feeder institutions that they choose to recruit from and the number that come in from elsewhere is restricted.

I wager what we see now has been a deliberate change....to what extent I don't know. However, all that matters is that the intake quality hasn't been lowered due to non meritocratic ideologies.

Certainly all the criticisms regarding affirmative action stand.

However, this lunacy is now mainstream.

The link didn't work.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jan 2019 4.03pm)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Jan 19 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by andyg

The BBC article on this explained that the school has 5 members of staff who focus on helping students to get into university. (source: [Link]

Many schools that puts this time, effort and money into getting kids into Oxbridge will do so - its about learning to 'play the game'. Private schools do this far better than state schools because they have the resources and experience. Its also a snowball effect where when you learn how to get kids in, that experience helps you with the next year etc.

I think some people are looking for controversy here when the solution is pretty simple

The link doesn't work but this echos my previous comments the "good" schools spend a year preparing the kids for the entrance exams so fair play to this state school.

 


One more point

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