Not a dispute; on the application form for the Stadium Safety Certificate, the club always have declared the standing in Block B and noted that this is controlled and managed. To date this has been accepted and the Certificate issued.

What, if anything, will happen when they apply for the Certificate this year and declared the standing area in Block E will be seen when the time comes. Perhaps the club are planning to put rail seats in this area over the summer to counteract any problems.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

No you didn't miss anything safe standing requires a change of legislation. At sometime in the fairly near future there will be trials. These will last for an extended period probably 5 years then legislation will be reviewed. There are companies who Market these sorts of rails they can be installed but until trials come not officially used. Spurs have decided to install in new stadium. It is suggested that Clubs will be able to apply to take part in these trials and that risk assessments will be used to decide which clubs take part. Where as a singing section in block b may have been successful one at front of block e would not due to sight lines from other blocks. If there was to be a serious accident in a standing section before these trials they probably will not take place. If there was a fatality then a corporate manslaughter charge of the directors is almost certain

I'm afraid you are wrong on all counts

This is the SGSA published current view
"Tackling standing in seated areas requires a concerted and consistent approach by all the relevant bodies acting together over time. Wherever possible, the ground management and the football authorities should be given the opportunity to address the issue through education, persuasion and positive crowd management before the local authorities or SGSA take more robust action such as reducing capacities. Where the evidence indicates that such action is necessary to safeguard spectators the local authorities should receive the full and public support of the clubs and of the football authorities. Supporters should be able to expect a clear approach appropriate to the circumstances of the ground and the fixture, within a consistent overall framework. Achieving this will require the collaboration and commitment of ground management and local authorities and the support of the football authorities.

All parties involved, including the football authorities, local authorities, the SGSA, clubs and supporters, should continue to work together to support the regulations in place and to ensure all spectators have an enjoyable and safe experience when attending a match"
On Dual purpose seating

"The SGSA has published an application process for league 1 and 2 clubs in the English Football League (EFL) who are permitted to, and wish to install dual pupose seating and standing areas

The SGSA issues licences to clubs in the Premeir League and the EFL Championship, Wembley and the Principality stadium as a means to enforce the Government's all-seater policy. Standing accommodation is permitted at grounds in leagues 1 and 2 for clubs that have not previously been in the Premier League or Championship for more than three years or at those clubs currently in the Premier League or Championship but not yet subject to the all-seater policy. The Government’s all-seater policy does not allow standing accommodation at the grounds of clubs who have been in the Premier League or Championship for more than three years.

Clubs not subject to the all-seater policy are able to install dual purpose areas should they wish, subject to meeting the required standards set by the SGSA."

A letter sent by the Football League’s chief executive, Shaun Harvey, to clubs (ie those not subject to all seater stadiums) stated"the government is not currently minded to allow these clubs to use rail seating at all (in either standing or seated mode) if they become subject to the all-seater policy at a future point. Although, it is closely monitoring the installation of 3,000 rail seats at Celtic Park."

For those that are interested this link is to the debate on safe standing https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-06-25/debates/8A09C8B2-14D5-4E2D-8F3E-1D7FF3838818/FootballSafeStanding For those who don't want to read entire debate
This was sports ministers Comments

"I was about to say that the all-seater policy has served football and football fans well over many years—the hon. Gentleman makes that point. It is not just a domestic measure: FIFA and UEFA both mandate that host stadiums for their main competitions must be all-seater. Let us not forget that all-seater stadiums provided the impetus for clubs to transform their grounds after years of neglect, which meant the widespread improvement of facilities for fans, which has brought about a welcome increase in the diversity of those choosing to attend.

I recognise the increasing support for the Government to change the all-seater policy in the top two tiers of English football, and the interesting innovations in spectator accommodation in recent years. They include various forms of seats incorporating barriers, or seats with independent barriers, which provide both a safety rail and a seat. They have been installed at grounds in Germany and at Celtic Park. More recently, they have been installed at Shrewsbury Town in League One. Those developments led the then premier league club West Bromwich Albion to make the request to the Sports Ground Safety Authority to run a rail seating pilot. The request to install rail seating made it clear that the intention was to create a permanent area within the ground where supporters would be freely permitted to stand. That would have been in breach of the licence conditions imposed on all clubs in the top two divisions under the powers set out in the Football Spectators Act 1989, the current legislative framework.

Ministers make decisions based on the evidence put in front of them within the legal framework permitted. Contrary to media reports, I did not receive a recommendation from the SGSA to approve the application. The club’s request would have required an immediate change in the law as it stands. As the application was for permission to start this coming season, colleagues will appreciate that the processes required would have taken more than the few months that Albion wanted them completed in. However, more significantly, the current legislative framework means that I cannot allow for any pilots. There is no wriggle room. It is either the status quo or changing the legislation.

So, what next? What are we going to do? The one thing we need to do is to collect and analyse the evidence that exists and ensure that all views on this issue can be heard and considered before we make any decision on changes to the all-seater policy—a point that many hon. Members have made today. We need proper evidence and solutions about how risks associated with standing would be addressed and what systems might be needed to achieve this. The first step is to gather that data and to conduct further research if necessary.

Today I can announce that we will commission an external analysis of evidence relating to the all-seater policy. My Department will be going out to tender for ​this piece of work shortly, and my aim is that the initial analysis work will be completed by the end of the year. As well as looking at what evidence already exists and assessing its reliability, that work will look to identify any important gaps in data, including injury data, and recommend the best ways of filling them.

The premier league has already shared some of its injury data with me, collated in the SGSA format from its clubs. What is clear is that not enough information is collected to determine the circumstances, severity or outcome of injuries. For example, data collected so far shows that, of the 1,550 injuries reported over the season at 19 premier league clubs, none related to persistent standing and 242 may have been caused by some standing—the equivalent of two injuries per 100,000 match attendances. Hon. Members have today made it clear that people are standing in unsafe ways, yet the current injuries log suggests otherwise. Some colleagues have outlined their own experiences of being injured at football matches, yet the injuries log says otherwise. Given that that fan experience is very different from the data, it is clear that the data needs further probing, and that is what I am announcing today.

The precise scope of that work will be defined in conjunction with the SGSA and other expert stakeholders. I am grateful to the Premier League and English Football League, with whom we have discussed this approach, and with whom we will work to improve the evidence base from the start of next season"

It's good to have some debate on this as it's complicated and rapidly changing terrain.
There's a lot of quotes to go through there but here we go! The SGSA 'current view' you've posted is actually out of date. It comes from 2017 and relates to the protocol they put in place for EFL clubs early in that year. The current line is that provided certain strict conditions are met, both independent barriers and seats incorporating barriers can be licensed as compliant with all-seater policy (wording agreed by the SGSA's CEO). Those 'strict conditions' relate mainly to SAG approval and the club's plan for managing the area. The SGSAs most recent green guide was released far more recently than your above quote and includes measurements and diagrams explicitly setting out regulations by which rail seats and seats with rails must adhere.

Shaun Harvey's quote is also out of date.

As for Tracey Crouch's comments, her whole argument was centered around the fact the SGSA had not yet released their updated opinion on rail seating, which they have now done. She was under no obligation to amend or revoke the Football Spectators Act and chose not to, although I wish she had decided otherwise. The Green Guide is the standard to which authorities must adhere and it now categorically states that rail seating is compliant with regulations and can be introduced immediately. If that were not the case spurs would not be able to open their stadium when the building work is finally finished.

Admittedly it is very complicated and things have moved quickly recently! Overall it's my opinion that this is a good thing for football fans in the UK and a rare victory against the sterilisation of the game. Personally can't wait to see it in the LH. So for me, doesn't make sense to fight it.

What about for the fans that were in block E, in there 100s that have been there for 90 years and go because they know everyone that’s sat round them since they were kids?
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