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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Aug 19 11.23pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's silly.

We have to work out the way to share. It will take time and the action will likely always be well behind the need. Whether this is done through taxation, early retirement, extended sabbaticals at fixed points in our lives or other creative ideas is yet to be worked out. I certainly don't have the answers and confess I haven't yet given it too much thought.

It will be a political nightmare because the potential for a huge widening of the gap between rich and poor is obvious.

You miss my point; there simply won’t be enough work to go round in the future. If there is an automated option that’s the one employers will take for all the obvious reasons so millions of people won’t have a job from which to retire early or take a sabbatical.

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 04 Aug 19 11.23pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's nothing to be frightened off. It does though have to be managed.


Bedroom banter!

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Aug 19 11.32pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Bedroom banter!

Now I am frightened.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Aug 19 11.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

You miss my point; there simply won’t be enough work to go round in the future. If there is an automated option that’s the one employers will take for all the obvious reasons so millions of people won’t have a job from which to retire early or take a sabbatical.

I think you are missing my point. I understand what yours is.

Whatever work is available will need to be shared, so that we all have some and we all have more free time. We cannot have a situation in which some people work and some don't. We cannot have some people with all the money and no time to enjoy it, and the others with all the time but no money to enjoy it.

It will take some management that's for sure. Even today the need to be flexible and able to adapt to a changing environment is on a different scale to when I first started work. In the future that will be a regular occurrence. Retraining will become a way of life.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Aug 19 11.50pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you are missing my point. I understand what yours is.

Whatever work is available will need to be shared, so that we all have some and we all have more free time. We cannot have a situation in which some people work and some don't. We cannot have some people with all the money and no time to enjoy it, and the others with all the time but no money to enjoy it.

It will take some management that's for sure. Even today the need to be flexible and able to adapt to a changing environment is on a different scale to when I first started work. In the future that will be a regular occurrence. Retraining will become a way of life.

Nice idea but not possible. Someone working on a checkout is unlikely to retrain as a surgeon or any other job that requires intuitive human involvement and those are theoretically the only jobs that will be left.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 8.15am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Nice idea but not possible. Someone working on a checkout is unlikely to retrain as a surgeon or any other job that requires intuitive human involvement and those are theoretically the only jobs that will be left.

I hope not. There will always be jobs that require a human interaction. You might be able to train a robot to clean your toilet but not to change your incontinence pad and chat about your experiences on the Holmesdale Terrace in the 50s whilst doing so.

Some jobs might be capable of being automated but we will choose not to go that route. The human touch cannot really be replicated no matter how advanced AI becomes. Love cannot be automated.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Aug 19 8.39am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I hope not. There will always be jobs that require a human interaction. You might be able to train a robot to clean your toilet but not to change your incontinence pad and chat about your experiences on the Holmesdale Terrace in the 50s whilst doing so.

Some jobs might be capable of being automated but we will choose not to go that route. The human touch cannot really be replicated no matter how advanced AI becomes. Love cannot be automated.

Sounds like a John Lennon song.
Anyone that could be replaced will be. The process has already started with self service checkouts, self check in at airports, etc.
Of course some people will be required but if companies have the option to automate jobs and work 24/7/365 they’ll do it. No wages, holidays, sickness, pensions, staff problems or anything else. Why wouldn’t they?
Certainly not out of social obligation. They don’t even pay their taxes in full.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Aug 19 10.02am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Sounds like a John Lennon song.
Anyone that could be replaced will be. The process has already started with self service checkouts, self check in at airports, etc.
Of course some people will be required but if companies have the option to automate jobs and work 24/7/365 they’ll do it. No wages, holidays, sickness, pensions, staff problems or anything else. Why wouldn’t they?
Certainly not out of social obligation. They don’t even pay their taxes in full.

No job is safe from automation even those with a human component.

For example lots of companies are already working on and marketing voice activated home care assistants. It's an upgraded version of Alexis. I can see a future when an elderly person's main contact will be one and not just about medical stuff. It will be able to hold a conversation with that person. Human contact maybe better but if you are a lonely person with no family it's better than nothing. It is will also be better than a 15 minute home care visit once a week as it will monitor the person 24x7.

You also have to think outside the box with automation. For instance a robot office cleaner. Some people will say it will never be as good as a human however what they forgot is that you redesign the office space and furniture to make it easier for the robot to do the job.

I live in a block of flats the window cleaners will not go above the 2nd floor on a ladder. I can see a robot window cleaner doing the job much better than a man with a long pole.

Technology is not good or bad it all depends on how we use it.

Big changes in the work place ahead which means bad news for the unskilled.

 


One more point

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Aug 19 10.31am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why could it be double that? Who says so?

A quick look on the internet will show you the range of population predictions including the actual range of the one you are quoting.

In short. I think you underestimate the scale and the nature of the problems ahead and you deliberately ignore the reality of the replacement of European people both in Europe and the US.

Currently, people in Britain use around three times their share of world resources and Americans 5 times.

Personally, I'm not for giving up our lifestyle or our genetic heritage to people I don't know just because they have too many children.

You can argue the details all day but I would rather plan to avoid these problems rather than convince myself that everything will just work out OK.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 09 Aug 19 2.21pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Muhammad machete (56) , the Leyton Looney from Luton.

Tommy may have known of him ? Or maybe just one of a crowd with machetes ? Who drives an uninsured van with a machete in the cab ?

Neighbours in Luton, will they be neighbours in jail ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Aug 2019 2.26pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Aug 19 8.35am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A quick look on the internet will show you the range of population predictions including the actual range of the one you are quoting.

I did that "quick look" and the first page of results ALL referred to the UN report figures. Which is hardly surprising as it's the only really authoritative report on this subject. You can hardly compare it with someone sitting in their bedroom making up numbers from a spreadsheet can you?

In short. I think you underestimate the scale and the nature of the problems ahead and you deliberately ignore the reality of the replacement of European people both in Europe and the US.

No I am not. You are deliberately overstating the problem to suit your own agenda. It's a real problem and one that needs to be seriously addressed but we must keep things in perspective.

Currently, people in Britain use around three times their share of world resources and Americans 5 times.

Yes they do. This will need to change.

Personally, I'm not for giving up our lifestyle or our genetic heritage to people I don't know just because they have too many children.

Having "too many children" is a current feature of culture and ignorance. As countries develop this will diminish, as the UN forecast predicts.

You can argue the details all day but I would rather plan to avoid these problems rather than convince myself that everything will just work out OK.

Of course we need to plan but we need to plan to deal with what is forecast and not some wild over assertions which would produce over reactions and chaos.

 

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