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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 10 Feb 19 6.06pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse


Have to agree.
We do not have one organised, well rehearsed corner or free kick routine after 18 months with Roy. This must be addressed, surely?

Haha donít mention Roy and corners.

Harry Kane springs to mind.

Could be something going on in training but has Roy routinely presided over teams who cannot finish the chances they create? Not really.

Can you address composure in front of goal in a game situation by practice matches and drills? Not really.

The player is either a good finisher, or they arenít. Stats donít lie.

Hodgson is accountable however for picking the team and tactics. Based on form this year and some other horrendous misses, I wouldnít want MacArthur getting on the end of that chance either way.

In fact I wouldnít have him on the pitch, but Roy picks a lot on favoritism rather than form and that is definitely something he has always done, including for England.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 10 Feb 19 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Where have you got this interpretation from? Read the post again and engage your brain.

Of course they're training, my question is whether the training is appropriate and working.

As you've identified that we have strikers who are proven goalscorers, who aren't scoring despite the amount of chances created it seems incredible that you haven't drawn the same conclusion as the logic necessarily follows.

The conclusion is your post is a contradiction. You except they are proven goalscorers, but training more will make them better, when it patently doesn't.
Sorloth could of practiced 24 hours a day, but he just hasn't got quick enough thought and movement for the Premier. Its basically instinct being in the right place and luck on your side, even the worlds best miss.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 10 Feb 19 6.16pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Haha donít mention Roy and corners.

Harry Kane springs to mind.

Could be something going on in training but has Roy routinely presided over teams who cannot finish the chances they create? Not really.

Can you address composure in front of goal in a game situation by practice matches and drills? Not really.

The player is either a good finisher, or they arenít. Stats donít lie.

Hodgson is accountable however for picking the team and tactics. Based on form this year and some other horrendous misses, I wouldnít want MacArthur getting on the end of that chance either way.

In fact I wouldnít have him on the pitch, but Roy picks a lot on favoritism rather than form and that is definitely something he has always done, including for England.

I agree with all of this apart from in bold.

The whole point of practice practice practice and more practice is to ensure performance.

No soldier ever went to war having never pulled a trigger because you "can't replicate enemy contact" and no fireman ever went to a shout without having been in a fire because "you can't replicate a real persons trapped situation".

The fact that such good players are so bad in front of goal suggests to me that there is something lacking in the training.

Edited by ChrisGC (10 Feb 2019 6.19pm)

 

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View ripleyeagle's Profile ripleyeagle Online Flag Ripley Surrey 10 Feb 19 6.21pm Send a Private Message to ripleyeagle Add ripleyeagle as a friend

Do you think we are the only team to miss chances.If you watched Spurs v Leicester today they missed lots of guilt edge chances including Vardy having a penalty saved.The difference is the top sides like City today donít as they have better players.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 10 Feb 19 6.26pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Painter



The conclusion is your post is a contradiction
. You except they are proven goalscorers, but training more will make them better, when it patently doesn't.
Sorloth could of practiced 24 hours a day, but he just hasn't got quick enough thought and movement for the Premier. Its basically instinct being in the right place and luck on your side, even the worlds best miss.

Regarding in bold, no it isn't. I said that we aren't converting chances because the training might not be appropriate. It was mentioned that we have proven goalscorers who aren't scoring, which supports my questioning of the training, unless these proven goalscorers have had foot transplants over night of course.
There is no contradiction.

Our chances to conversion rate is horrendous, saying that the players aren't good enough isn't a valid root cause, because they are (Sorloth excepted)

I'd be very interested to see where we'd be in the table without the penalty conversions.


Edited by ChrisGC (10 Feb 2019 6.34pm)

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 10 Feb 19 6.33pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

One player who is not a natural goalscorer with his feet is Benteke. Every scuffed shot ends up straight at the keeper. Even his penalty technique is all wrong. For training I'd suggest sticking a mannequin in goal and place 5 balls, 1 yard apart, each side of the penalty spot. I'd wager he would hit all of them straight at the mannequin.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 10 Feb 19 6.35pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

One player who is not a natural goalscorer with his feet is Benteke. Every scuffed shot ends up straight at the keeper. Even his penalty technique is all wrong. For training I'd suggest sticking a mannequin in goal and place 5 balls, 1 yard apart, each side of the penalty spot. I'd wager he would hit all of them straight at the mannequin.

Exactly. He's a head on a stick, yet there's balls going to feet?

Why aren't they training to put the ball on his head?

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 10 Feb 19 6.40pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Exactly. He's a head on a stick, yet there's balls going to feet?

Why aren't they training to put the ball on his head?

Because neither Zaha or Townsend are particularly brilliant crossers of the ball, and anyway Benteke would be stood in the wrong place.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 10 Feb 19 6.45pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Because neither Zaha or Townsend are particularly brilliant crossers of the ball, and anyway Benteke would be stood in the wrong place.

Correct on both.

Regarding the latter, this wasn't always the case. Again, if he was coached and drilled properly, could he get back into good positions?

Regarding zaha and Townsend, more training maybe? Andros is capable of delivering a good ball on occasion. Increase the amount of crosses, increase the accuracy, Bentekkers only needs to be in the right place once a game...

Someone else mentioned our corners. Every corner is a free hit if delivered in a well rehearsed way. It's criminal that they always go to waste.

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 10 Feb 19 6.55pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Wilf is playing on the left, he can't cross with his left foot, so always comes back or goes on a little dribble, Nothing for Benteke there. Andros is playing on the right, and yet prefers to cut back onto his left foot, giving centre backs time to re-position. Not a lot for Benteke there either. Given that Benteke's only asset is his heading ability from decent crosses I don't understand these tactics at all.
When the ball does fall kindly for him he inevitably fluffs his lines. So I have to ask: what is it that he actually does, and why is he out there when the game we currently play doesn't suit him?

 

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View Shifty97's Profile Shifty97 Flag Croydon 10 Feb 19 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Shifty97 Add Shifty97 as a friend

I think one of the main problems is that we havenít had a striker that can put the chances away. Hopefully this will change with Batshuayi

 

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View Shifty97's Profile Shifty97 Flag Croydon 10 Feb 19 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Shifty97 Add Shifty97 as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Wilf is playing on the left, he can't cross with his left foot, so always comes back or goes on a little dribble, Nothing for Benteke there. Andros is playing on the right, and yet prefers to cut back onto his left foot, giving centre backs time to re-position. Not a lot for Benteke there either. Given that Benteke's only asset is his heading ability from decent crosses I don't understand these tactics at all.
When the ball does fall kindly for him he inevitably fluffs his lines. So I have to ask: what is it that he actually does, and why is he out there when the game we currently play doesn't suit him?

its probably because we have seen him have good seasons in terms of goals. Also when you look at the striker options we have at the moment, theres Ayew who has not been good as a centre foward and seems more of a 10 for me than a striker, thereís Wickham who isnít ready for a full 90 minutes yet and heís injured again and then Batshuayi who probably isnít ready for a full 90 mins just yet. So at the moment Benteke seems like the only real option

 

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