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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Feb 19 10.20am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Sure, but then the Stormzy sounding young man is far more likely to get work in other industries - as has always been the case.

You just prefer one because itís been around longer.

Yes, that booming area of rap groups. Thousands of them everywhere. Name me other prosperous employment where a Stormzy sounder would get the job over thousands of disappointed others.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Feb 19 10.23am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Youíre splitting hairs to defend your position IMO - the point stands that there are tons of sub cultures who have their own style of speaking; debating the specifics of rhyming slang or TOWIE doesnít change that.

I agree that street talk has a long way to go before it is as broadly accepted as something like Essex, but my argument is that it should be every bit as accepted, certainly in social situations.

The negative stigma attached to it stems from, in my opinion, an ignorance about that particular sub-culture.

Their chance will have been and gone if itís ever accepted like other accents, and in todayís world theyíre in competition with not only young adults from all over Britain but all over the world. Up to them.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 13 Feb 19 10.36am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

This thread does prove the irony of accusations.
Criticising someones accent or how they talk has now been labelled as racist and bigotry.
Shows how far down that dangerous path we have gone.
I fear for the future if the brakes arnt put on it soon.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 13 Feb 19 10.39am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Name me other prosperous employment where a Stormzy sounder would get the job over thousands of disappointed others.

I really feel out of touch as I neither watch anything on Sky Sports other than the football or cricket matches themselves nor have a clue what Stormzy sounds like

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Feb 19 10.50am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I really feel out of touch as I neither watch anything on Sky Sports other than the football or cricket matches themselves nor have a clue what Stormzy sounds like

Stormzy is just a name weíre referring to. You mustíve heard the Ďstreetí sound. Maybe you havenít if you donít hear it on tv or speak to many people in shops in city centres and you live in a rural area where the young people will get the better office professional jobs in any city where thereís a street accent. Make no mistake about that.

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Youíre splitting hairs to defend your position IMO - the point stands that there are tons of sub cultures who have their own style of speaking; debating the specifics of rhyming slang or TOWIE doesnít change that.

I agree that street talk has a long way to go before it is as broadly accepted as something like Essex, but my argument is that it should be every bit as accepted, certainly in social situations.

The negative stigma attached to it stems from, in my opinion, an ignorance about that particular sub-culture
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I don't get this.....Why is that important?

If I don't like something, why is it important that I like it?

As for this ignorance argument.....seriously is that what you think?

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2019 10.55am)

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes, that booming area of rap groups. Thousands of them everywhere. Name me other prosperous employment where a Stormzy sounder would get the job over thousands of disappointed others.

Youíve made some ludicrous points on this thread which I had opted not to ridicule - I donít think itís too much to ask for you to do the same; generally itís the approach of someone whoís position is looking more nonsensical by the minute.

There are many industries where this type of culture is now the dominant one; tv, radio, sport, social media/YouTube and thatís now spreading to more general marketing and advertising roles.

I wonít mention retail and food industries as youíve already made clear your thoughts on people who chose to make a living that way.

Aside from general corporate roles, and traditional manual jobs, I donít think it is considered a hindersnce anywhere - employment is rapidly changing beyond the traditional suit and tie office environment.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I don't get this.....Why is that important?

If I don't like something, why is it important that I like it?

As for this ignorance argument.....seriously is that what you think?

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2019 10.55am)

Youíve replaced accepted with liked, which is not the same thing - you donít have to like anything, but you should accept someoneís right to speak how they want to - I donít think anyone actually disagrees on that.

The ignorance point is entirely what I believe, yes.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Feb 19 11.58am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Youíve made some ludicrous points on this thread which I had opted not to ridicule - I donít think itís too much to ask for you to do the same; generally itís the approach of someone whoís position is looking more nonsensical by the minute.

There are many industries where this type of culture is now the dominant one; tv, radio, sport, social media/YouTube and thatís now spreading to more general marketing and advertising roles.

I wonít mention retail and food industries as youíve already made clear your thoughts on people who chose to make a living that way.

Aside from general corporate roles, and traditional manual jobs, I donít think it is considered a hindersnce anywhere - employment is rapidly changing beyond the traditional suit and tie office environment.

Sounds like youíre losing traction, fella.

Yep, those industries you list employ hundreds of thousands of people. And youíre talking about ridiculing my points.

I didnít give any opinion on food and retail. I just said I donít want to be served by someone sounding like that. In customer service you serve. It is your problem there, not mine. And actually I do t think many choose supermarkets or fast food due to the pay. They end up in them, hence a lot of my points.

But carry on.

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Youíve replaced accepted with liked, which is not the same thing - you donít have to like anything, but you should accept someoneís right to speak how they want to - I donít think anyone actually disagrees on that.

The ignorance point is entirely what I believe, yes.

I grew up in Brixton, I went to school with people like this. I come from that community. So perhaps you need to refine your view on ignorance. Not liking something doesn't mean you are in ignorance about it.

Are the people who speak with these accents in 'ignorance' of other ways of speaking? No, most of them aren't.

So by calling people ignorant, isn't that just your own way of insulting people with views you don't like and inferring that not 'accepting' something is some sort of issue?

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2019 12.04pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I grew up in Brixton, I went to school with people like this. I come from that community. So perhaps you need to refine your view on ignorance. Not liking something doesn't mean you are in ignorance about it.

Are the people who speak with these accents in 'ignorance' of other ways of speaking? No, most of them aren't.

So by calling people ignorant, isn't that just your own way of insulting people with views you don't like and inferring that not 'accepting' something is some sort of issue?

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2019 12.04pm)

Youíre ability to make an argument out of anything is truly impressive.

A lot of people in the UK, are ignorant to street/urban culture - what exactly is difficult about that?

You, as an individual, might not be - good for you.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Feb 19 12.45pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Sounds like youíre losing traction, fella.

Yep, those industries you list employ hundreds of thousands of people. And youíre talking about ridiculing my points.

I didnít give any opinion on food and retail. I just said I donít want to be served by someone sounding like that. In customer service you serve. It is your problem there, not mine. And actually I do t think many choose supermarkets or fast food due to the pay. They end up in them, hence a lot of my points.

But carry on.

Well no, I was specifically talking about not ridiculing your points.

There will soon be far more people employed in social media than there are mechanics, if thatís not the case already.

 

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