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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Feb 19 10.51am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Got in a spat with a couple of those that have a residency on the BBS.

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Doesn't everybody ?

 


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Originally posted by W12

Try highlighting the “lot less than” part and read again. As in very few in fact.

And in answer to your last question It was Monday.

Ok no problem I read it wrong. You are a tourist, I live here so most taxi drivers will always pick up a Cracker over other races, It's just the way it is especially In the Bronx where I live.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They probably assume you will tip better...Until they realise you are English.

I always tip well. I know how it works here. It's British tourists who usually don't.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

How was Nick banned from the BBS?

How does he cope without one of the 2?

By tut, tutting people on Twitter like myself. The other week Sky News had a news article where they Interviewed Captured ISIS (British) Fighters who were basically begging the British government for help. They were trotting out the usual crap about being there on computer courses & doing 'Humanitarian' work.
Basically the most common retort from most answering was that they could go & f*** themselves.
Gusset Tut,Tutted me & linked me with some Lefty pressure group who stick up for these scumbags, needless to say after putting up with him doing this on a number of occassions I blocked the t***.
That guy needs serious help !!

 


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The mentally ill ones do tend to be pretty far left.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Robinson is representative of the resentment widely felt by many people regarding pakistani rape gangs, terrorism and other immigration related issues. I doubt people think of him as much more than that. You might want to separate these issues to keep the flag flying for an idealistic view of multiculturalism but to point out the realities is not extremism. To agree with Robinson on certain issues is not to condone or support everything he may or may not have done.

Thanks for confirming what I said. I knew you wouldn't agree with me but in using the term "pakistani rape gangs" you reveal much more than you intended. Neither of us know if the gangs in question are exclusively from one community but leaving that aside it is quite certain that even if they are they represent only a tiny minority of that community. To use that term is racist. It's as bad as classifying all the Irish as stupid, or all the English as racist. Everyone detests the idea that gang rapes happen and wants to see it eradicated. I am quite sure that the Police and social services are aware and have a long term strategy in place to do just that, by working quietly under the radar and with the various communities. I heard, only this morning, a community worker in Tower Hamlets saying how the Bangladeshi community there were strongly opposed to the way that Shamima Begum was indoctrinated into ISIS and very much wanted to embrace the British way of life. We need to work towards an objective and not just perform knee jerk reactions that make things worse by marginalising whole communities. That's why Robinson is a simplistic rabble rouser without any kind of real solution. He doesn't "point out realities". He tells half truths and winds people up.

Did you support Nelson Mandella's Terrorism?

As I said before there is a thin line between terrorism and freedom fighting. Context is everything. Mandela was fighting oppression and a great deal of violent behaviour from the apartheid regime but ultimately managed to find a way to avoid the bloodbath that I, and many others, expected in South Africa, through force of argument and compassion. So overall yes I support him because he saved many more lives than he lost.

Do you think that Martin Luther King wasn't self serving?

I do.

Do you think Malcolm X wasn't a racist?

He isn't someone I know too much about but it seems he was in his youth but learned not to be as he matured. Some can, some cannot.

'Racists attitudes to knife crime'?

There is a huge disproportion of knife crime committed by Black people when they make up only 3 to 5% of the population. That is not a racist statement. It is a fact. Recent terrorism against the majority in this country and Europe has been committed almost entirely by Islamist Muslims. That is a fact. How is accepting that 'racist'? Not that Muslims are a race of course.

See my remarks above. Facts need context. Responses need thought about what the final objective is and whether they help or hinder the achievement of that objective. Classifying criminals by their colour, religious belief or country of origin tends to associate all those people with the crime. To do so is to use racist language. We need to condemn the crime and the criminal but not make things worse through false associations.

With respect. In you own way, you are as nutty as people who deny the Holocaust.

The Holocaust is a matter of record for which the context has also been well described and equally condemned. Not so what we are now discussing.

Why are you so afraid to face the truth?

Oh I am not! I though try to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth whereas many here only look at partial truths, selecting those which fit their prejudices.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Feb 2019 12.23pm)

 

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Originally posted by Jimenez

I always tip well. I know how it works here. It's British tourists who usually don't.

I'm sure you do.

As I said before. Cab drivers probably expect better tips from White people, rightly or wrongly.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


Thanks for confirming what I said. I knew you wouldn't agree with me but in using the term "pakistani rape gangs" you reveal much more than you intended. Neither of us know if the gangs in question are exclusively from one community but leaving that aside it is quite certain that even if they are they represent only a tiny minority of that community. To use that term is racist. It's as bad as classifying all the Irish as stupid, or all the English as racist. Everyone detests the idea that gang rapes happen and wants to see it eradicated. I am quite sure that the Police and social services are aware and have a long term strategy in place to do just that, by working quietly under the radar and with the various communities. I heard, only this morning, a community worker in Tower Hamlets saying how the Bangladeshi community there were strongly opposed to the way that Shamima Begum was indoctrinated into ISIS and very much wanted to embrace the British way of life. We need to work towards an objective and not just perform knee jerk reactions that make things worse by marginalising whole communities. That's why Robinson is a simplistic rabble rouser without any kind of real solution. He doesn't "point out realities". He tells half truths and winds people up.

Racist? To refer to a gang by its predominant nationality and identity is racist?

That's absurd. A nationality isn't even a race.

It's reactionary people like you with your knee jerk reactions to anything you can perceive as fitting your definition of racism that have engendered the fear that allowed these rapes to go unpunished for so long.

The institutions are now full of people fearful of people like you with your obsessional hunt for 'racism'. We have de facto classes of people that now the Police and other services think twice before tackling.

You are part of the problem.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


As I said before there is a thin line between terrorism and freedom fighting. Context is everything. Mandela was fighting oppression and a great deal of violent behaviour from the apartheid regime but ultimately managed to find a way to avoid the bloodbath that I, and many others, expected in South Africa, through force of argument and compassion. So overall yes I support him because he saved many more lives than he lost.


Well, since South Africa freed itself from oppression....been going well hasn't it.

Now we have a different set of racists in charge.....but the left hardly ever address it now because it's a racism a lot of them approve of.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you think that Martin Luther King wasn't self serving?

I do.

Personally I view King as a flawed individual...but then again everybody is. He use to be one of my heroes but now I have mixed feelings about him.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you think Malcolm X wasn't a racist?

He isn't someone I know too much about but it seems he was in his youth but learned not to be as he matured. Some can, some cannot.

I think nowadays I have a bit more time for Malcolm X.....He advocated for his group and if you could minus the religion I think we can see how that was a sign of times to come.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

'Racists attitudes to knife crime'?

There is a huge disproportion of knife crime committed by Black people when they make up only 3 to 5% of the population. That is not a racist statement. It is a fact. Recent terrorism against the majority in this country and Europe has been committed almost entirely by Islamist Muslims. That is a fact. How is accepting that 'racist'? Not that Muslims are a race of course.

See my remarks above. Facts need context. Responses need thought about what the final objective is and whether they help or hinder the achievement of that objective. Classifying criminals by their colour, religious belief or country of origin tends to associate all those people with the crime. To do so is to use racist language. We need to condemn the crime and the criminal but not make things worse through false associations.



So the guy who was quite happy to call Hrolf a racist for mentioning a nationality now wants to talk about context.

Suddenly mentioning the colour or nationality of people means that you are including everybody of that group......Which is a complete fiction that you just created. That wasn't said...only you said it.

When the situation suits you then you wish to be blind to things like race or nationality.....but when it's a white guy criticising a different group....suddenly race matters and he's a racist.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

With respect. In you own way, you are as nutty as people who deny the Holocaust.

The Holocaust is a matter of record for which the context has also been well described and equally condemned. Not so what we are now discussing.

Why are you so afraid to face the truth?

Oh I am not! I though try to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth whereas many here only look at partial truths, selecting those which fit their prejudices.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Feb 2019 12.23pm)


You invent your own version of the truth and pass it off as the consensus and then criticise others for differing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2019 1.01pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You invent your own version of the truth and pass it off as the consensus and then criticise others for differing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2019 12.58pm)

And how is your approach different?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Robinson is representative of the resentment widely felt by many people regarding pakistani rape gangs, terrorism and other immigration related issues. I doubt people think of him as much more than that. You might want to separate these issues to keep the flag flying for an idealistic view of multiculturalism but to point out the realities is not extremism. To agree with Robinson on certain issues is not to condone or support everything he may or may not have done.

Thanks for confirming what I said. I knew you wouldn't agree with me but in using the term "pakistani rape gangs" you reveal much more than you intended. Neither of us know if the gangs in question are exclusively from one community but leaving that aside it is quite certain that even if they are they represent only a tiny minority of that community. To use that term is racist. It's as bad as classifying all the Irish as stupid, or all the English as racist. Everyone detests the idea that gang rapes happen and wants to see it eradicated. I am quite sure that the Police and social services are aware and have a long term strategy in place to do just that, by working quietly under the radar and with the various communities. I heard, only this morning, a community worker in Tower Hamlets saying how the Bangladeshi community there were strongly opposed to the way that Shamima Begum was indoctrinated into ISIS and very much wanted to embrace the British way of life. We need to work towards an objective and not just perform knee jerk reactions that make things worse by marginalising whole communities. That's why Robinson is a simplistic rabble rouser without any kind of real solution. He doesn't "point out realities". He tells half truths and winds people up.

Did you support Nelson Mandella's Terrorism?

As I said before there is a thin line between terrorism and freedom fighting. Context is everything. Mandela was fighting oppression and a great deal of violent behaviour from the apartheid regime but ultimately managed to find a way to avoid the bloodbath that I, and many others, expected in South Africa, through force of argument and compassion. So overall yes I support him because he saved many more lives than he lost.

Do you think that Martin Luther King wasn't self serving?

I do.

Do you think Malcolm X wasn't a racist?

He isn't someone I know too much about but it seems he was in his youth but learned not to be as he matured. Some can, some cannot.

'Racists attitudes to knife crime'?

There is a huge disproportion of knife crime committed by Black people when they make up only 3 to 5% of the population. That is not a racist statement. It is a fact. Recent terrorism against the majority in this country and Europe has been committed almost entirely by Islamist Muslims. That is a fact. How is accepting that 'racist'? Not that Muslims are a race of course.

See my remarks above. Facts need context. Responses need thought about what the final objective is and whether they help or hinder the achievement of that objective. Classifying criminals by their colour, religious belief or country of origin tends to associate all those people with the crime. To do so is to use racist language. We need to condemn the crime and the criminal but not make things worse through false associations.

With respect. In you own way, you are as nutty as people who deny the Holocaust.

The Holocaust is a matter of record for which the context has also been well described and equally condemned. Not so what we are now discussing.

Why are you so afraid to face the truth?

Oh I am not! I though try to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth whereas many here only look at partial truths, selecting those which fit their prejudices.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Feb 2019 12.23pm)

Wow.

So basically, what you are saying is that people can't present facts without being accused of being racists or extremists. They can't examine the root causes of terrible crimes because they shouldn't upset the apple cart of your idealist delusions about multi culture.

You are also very flexible with your morals and judgment of people's characters depending on what colour they are and what politics they promote.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And how is your approach different?


I don't claim to be the consensus, that time is perhaps twenty years away.

 


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