There is no justification for a person who believes in free speech. Censorship of opinions someone doesn't like, describing a viewpoint as 'hate' is insidious.

It isn't though just censoring opinions you don't like is it? Hate speech quite specifically targets attacks, both verbal and written, against others because of their colour, race, disability, nationality, ethnicity or national origin, religion, gender identity, or sexual orientation which are threatening, abusive or intended to harass, distress or alarm. Provided your opinions stay clear of such attacks you can say whatever you like.

Those were 'traditional Tory' values on free speech. I still hold them.

Traditional "one nation" Tories have always believed in a fair society and welcome the developments within our democracy which help to establish that. Only those who cling to the values of the Empire fail to recognise progress.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2019 2.44pm)

Is that a joke?

Such a traditional Tory aren't you. Taking what you put there I could arrest someone for telling a Irish joke or mother in law joke.

That's just nonsense. There aren't threats, abuse, harassment, distress or alarm in any genuine joke. If someone conceals such things within a joke then they deserve to be exposed.

Indeed people have been arrested for offensive jokes already. These laws did not exist until your buddies in 'New Labour' turned up.

Don't justify this cancer to me.

Oh the laws existed, they have simply been clarified in recent years.

'Values of the Empire'....We can see your politics by your own words.

The term 'one nation' Tory is from generations ago. Indeed from a time with Macmillan when an Empire still existed.

I was around when Macmillan was PM and old enough to have paid attention. He oversaw the final years of an Empire that was effectively ended by WW2 and replaced by the Commonwealth in 1949. Macmillan's approach, which was continued by Heath, Heseltine, and even Cameron of trying to have a Tory party which looked after everyone and not just the few, is something I have always admired and regard his tradition as very valuable.

A time you seem to imply here wasn't fair because you support the modern changes to free speech.

Not at all. There were a plethora of reasons for the unfairness which have demanded, and got, attention.

In my view you support socialism and you certainly show you support the left's social values, no one on the right here is fooled by your disingenuous claims.

Well, not for the first time, your view is incorrect. I am a social democrat, who is a fiscal conservative but socially liberal. Centre right, just as the bulk of the present Tory MPs are.

Mcmillan was a conservative.....A conservative conserves....and it isn't just economics...the only conservatism you support is the pound in your pocket.

Sure, a conservative conserves culture, tradition and things of value for future generations. A conservative doesn't conserve things that are past their sell by date just because they are old. Evolution teaches us the need to adapt or perish.

'Values of the Empire'....We can see your politics by your own words.

We can see from your words that you are no Conservative, just as the members of the ERG aren't. You, and they, are wolves in a sheep's clothing. The wolves being UKIP. UKIP has infiltrated the Tory party just as Momentum has Labour. Which is why we so need the rise of the middle ground and at long last can see the green shoots finally appearing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2019 3.40pm)

Well if this true I must be a racist.
Pussy patrol, do you agree with this?
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I am shocked.

You seem to live in a very simple world Wisbech.

Either you are incapable or unwilling to read between the lines.
We now have a selection of totally undesirable, backward or anti Western cultures in this country and to object to any of them is deemed 'racist' or 'hateful'. That is the deliberately manufactured situation we live in and one you seem happy with.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Feb 2019 11.16am)

That is bs in all it's assertions.

My "world" is very far from a simple one, although I won't go into detail here.

I am perfectly able to read between the lines. For instance I do it all the time in forum threads like this one.

We don't have a "selection of totally undesirable, backward or anti Western cultures in this country". We have some minorities within cultures that have undesirable aspects to them. That includes far right views within "white" cultures every bit as much as the radicalised within Islamic cultures.

Objecting to them, or to anything else, can be done without recourse to using racist or any other kind of hate speech. The two issues are separate and not mutually dependent.

It's not been deliberately manufactured. It has grown out of a progressive evolvement of the western world's democracies ability to recognise the need for fairness and equality for all members of society.