Yes, I see sense in that. We do have a weird attitude here where we don't consider the impact of taking the cream of the crop, fully trained and ready to work for less, from elsewhere. And at the other end of the scale with the untrained seeking lesser jobs there is this 'they'll do the jobs we won't' attitude. People forget that this in itself is also a form of racism or xenophobia really. It's hard for a country to truly progress if the ultimate goal or dream is to leave it, with us waiting there with open arms.

I always thought it was quite funny when Kelly Osbourne butchered the 'they'll do the jobs we won't' line with something about cleaning toilets. It sounded horrendous, but on one level is something that people are more than happy to let happen so it's fake outrage really [Link]

One of the dumbest decisions ever was to import immigrants from one of the most violent, crime ridden countries in the world.
What a surprise when drug and knife crime soared as a result.

you been to Barbados?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Bosh,you done him ha ha

I think I would know where I have been.

I stayed in a small hotel somewhere on the West coast. Don't ask me exactly where, I think it was somewhere near Holetown.
I wasn't hugely impressed with the place. Grand Cayman was much much nicer but the Caribbean is not somewhere I have much desire to return to. I'm more of a Maldives man myself, although long plane journeys have gotten a lot less appealing since I have got older.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 May 2019 8.42pm)

Biiiig delay on this, but here goes. Been living life rather than wallowing in the despair and amoeba rich density of this forum

Point 1 – I think perhaps this is your own prejudices in play here.

Not really. I come from a world where image, message and PR are paramount. Politics is savage. He is a political figure whether he likes it or not. Clever people get it, and are successful. Stupid people don't and continually make the same or new mistakes and eventually die off. As always.

He is continually making entirely avoidable mistakes considering the context of his situation and getting too emotional, plus putting together hatchet job journalism on issues that could actually have been very powerfully exposed (BBC prime example – 'take down the BBC' haha. Maybe take a Youtube editing class or get someone who knows what they are doing to put a program together). He is clearly not cut out to be a successful leader. A pioneer in some eyes, maybe. Leader, no way. Sacrifical lamb, yes.

Point 2 – So who else is pushing back?

Who else is pushing back? His followers. People who share the same viewpoint. Someone will eventually appear that is actually clever enough to know how to build their argument and therefore this 'movement' in a credible and attractive fashion. That does not mean it needs to appeal to the middle classes. It does need to do more than just casually appeal to his entire potential audience AND those on the fence. You need passionate involvement on a mass scale. Not happening now.

Point 3 – Reacting physically to being assaulted is 'over the top'?

Throwing a milkshake on someone is not exactly like being punched in the face. Therefore there are ways to respond that are proportional to the initial offence committed. We all know that. Technically yes it's assault, but, yet again, as well all know very well there are degrees of being assaulted. If I went out and threw a milkshake (note, McDonalds definitely have milk in their milkshakes) over a random person in the street I reckon at best I'd get a fine or caution for common assault and maybe criminal damage at a stretch. If I threw it over the queen, or a figure of importance? Immediate prison. Also knowing a copper it is insanely easy to get off scot free. Also, if it were the other way around I'm sure some snow flaking would be occurring right now, 'it was only a milkshake etc. etc.' I get the he's always under threat narrative but sometimes just have a little pause before being partisan.

Point 4 – Probably? More intelligent people like....?

I don't have the answer to 'like' but someone will emerge IF the issue is that pressing. At the moment it's clearly not but that may well change. If I believed everything you said then it will, but I'm yet to be convinced. As we've discussed before, people simply aren't uncomfortable enough (yet).

Point 5 – You have obviously been watching selective clips of this. What you are commenting on is out of context. This guy had been harassing Robinson for hours and indeed women had made complaints to Police that he had pushed them out of the way to get to Robinson previously.

This has been pointed out to me, in which case, I apologise for jumping the gun on the way I had interpreted the build up to the incident.

Point 6 – Has the media and certain political figures celebrated that?

Celebrated is a subjective interpretation of the media coverage. Focused on would be better. Probably not as it's old news. I imagine the first time it happened to Robinson it was focused on but no one likes 'olds'. Not interesting.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (15 May 2019 1.46pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.